Microsoft Windows 8 plans leave Nokia hamstrung

[Elimentals]

Hmmm, not sure MS would really want to buy Nokia, although this is a nice way to push the share price down even further.

Nokia, I hope you have a team frantically working on Tizen or some advanced Win8 phone in the wings....

In that case they gonna have to share space with Samsung, I hear.

I bet you right now someone in Nokia is going "Crap we should never have let go of that department."

Can already see the headlines: Samsung taken to court for copying the new Lumia range

[Elimentals]

It still surprises me the way that all the other phone OSs seem to completely ignore even 1 year old hardware... I mean, yes I love my iPhone 4s, but at least the iPhone 4 gets most of the new features, if there is a hardware reason for not being able to do something well like Siri, then they just don't get that feature, at least Apple don't tell their users, suck it up boy, you get nothing.
I mean even the iPhone 3S at least can Install the newer versions of the OS, yes it might not get things like the 3D maps and Siri, but at least you get the OS.
Have a look at any graph of the Android OS fragmentation, its crazy. I feel sorry for Android users that cannot get the newest OS. I t would really irritate me.

It is inevitable the Microsoft will buyout Nokia in the near future.
What effect does that have on the warranty?

You are aware that Android address the OS fragmentation issue with 2 step plan.

1. Its modular, unlike other OS's we do not have to wait for a new update to roll out, just to get the new maps/music/Mail or whatever application. They update strait out of the market regardless of what phone you running, be it an old Crappy single core from 2010 or a brand new quadcore from 2012. It does not matter what OS you run or what update you get. So in All most if not all the functions are covered from this angle. The same even goes for the UI where the launcher/start screen or dailer can be replaced with whatever you feel like. Want a new Keyboard? Got that covered as well.

So you see most of what other phones call OS updates, can be done without the need for a Kernel or OS number change.

2. Its Open, if you really need the updated Kernel you can as a last resort root and flash the the phone (Well that is if you don't wanna wait for an official update from the OEM) As again unlike other phone operating systems the source code is freely available and can be downloaded/edited and compiled by anyone that wants to do it. Or as in most people's case go look for a ROM that has already done this.

So you have access to the code to do it yourself.

If iOS or WP tell you screw you, you can not go but I want it, See example Siri where Apple decided nope not gonna give it to older ones. On SGSIII all the "hackers" did was export the S Voice and made it available for anyone with root to install it.

Yes you void your Warranty the moment you root, but the same goes for iOS when you Jailbrake or Windows Phone when you Pay to unlock it so its one in the same, besides loads of people on all 3 had their phones repaired even with void warranties. So so much for that boogy man stories.

[news24]

Guys Lumina/Windows Sucks.

Eish, I bought the Lumina 900 a week ago and sold my iPhone4S. Now Microsoft just announced that Windows Phone8 apps won't be supported on Windows 7.8 . Its a good thing that with At&t if you don't like your phone you can return it within 30 days, pity that bracket will close before the S3 is released, I'll just have to settle for OneX.

What I did not Like about Lumina900
-Camera very very slow, to take one pic takes forever(I can take 10 photos with iPhone4S before it captures just one)
-The photo quality is shyte.
-You cannot multi-select pics and erase them, you have to do everything one-by-one
-Cannot print from the damn phone
-100000 apps and they are all shyte
-No Dropbox support, just a lame viewer
-Tellme sucks, I miss Siri
-Notifications Sucks
-Web browser is Terrible
-The Screen is painful to look at

What I liked
-Fresh interface
-Some nifty built-in apps
-Email is awesome.

[undesign]

You are aware that Android address the OS fragmentation issue with 2 step plan.

1. Its modular, unlike other OS's we do not have to wait for a new update to roll out, just to get the new maps/music/Mail or whatever application. They update strait out of the market regardless of what phone you running, be it an old Crappy single core from 2010 or a brand new quadcore from 2012. It does not matter what OS you run or what update you get. So in All most if not all the functions are covered from this angle. The same even goes for the UI where the launcher/start screen or dailer can be replaced with whatever you feel like. Want a new Keyboard? Got that covered as well.

So you see most of what other phones call OS updates, can be done without the need for a Kernel or OS number change.

2. Its Open, if you really need the updated Kernel you can as a last resort root and flash the the phone (Well that is if you don't wanna wait for an official update from the OEM) As again unlike other phone operating systems the source code is freely available and can be downloaded/edited and compiled by anyone that wants to do it. Or as in most people's case go look for a ROM that has already done this.

So you have access to the code to do it yourself.

If iOS or WP tell you screw you, you can not go but I want it, See example Siri where Apple decided nope not gonna give it to older ones. On SGSIII all the "hackers" did was export the S Voice and made it available for anyone with root to install it.

Yes you void your Warranty the moment you root, but the same goes for iOS when you Jailbrake or Windows Phone when you Pay to unlock it so its one in the same, besides loads of people on all 3 had their phones repaired even with void warranties. So so much for that boogy man stories.

Seems that users aren't terribly fussed by the fragmentation (myBB geeks excluded :-)). Must be terrible for developers surely?

http://m.cnet.com/news/android-updat...otice/57449588

[The_Librarian]

So glad I ditched Nokia and went Samsung.

[Elimentals]

Seems that users aren't terribly fussed by the fragmentation (myBB geeks excluded :-)). Must be terrible for developers surely?

http://m.cnet.com/news/android-updat...otice/57449588

Interesting link, thanx for the share.

I can answer from our side re the development or how we see it in our company.

We are guilty of the same, developing for iOS 1st and only if there is demand on iOS, do we expand to Android.

A. iOS is a better "test" environment as there is less things that could interfere with our application. The sand-boxing of the OS and the lack of root/custom roms makes it easier to problem solve and debug. Android have way to many things that could cause funny reaction in a app and loads of them are external (Other developers that stuff around to roms that excluded some library)

B. iOS users are full of ****, no question about it. If they don't like the flow of a program or the look of a picture, they tell you, unlike Android users that make do. iOS users will tell you if a button looks funny, and demand you fix it. Android users will just move on and look for another app.

Only when above 2 are sorted will we look at demand or how many people wanted the application vs how many is on the market (iOS users are more willing to pay as well not because they have money or piracy but because they lack that make do attitude that Android users normally have) If demand is high we make an Android app but only target the top brands/version. 9 times out of 10 that is all that is needed. If there are complaint on model X give this problem we will then look at expanding but only then.

[CorneN]

LOVE LOVE LOVE the article name!!!

As you were

[McCrazieGoalz]

So glad I ditched Nokia and went Samsung.

I used to hate Nokia and Microsoft for the same reasons I now hate Apple, Samsung and Google.

[Arthur]

What a bullshit article. So naïve it's beyond even a groan. What an embarrassment.

There is no way a company like Nokia bets the house on a platform without clear sight of Microsoft's plans for WP, right from WP7.0 through WP8, WP9 and beyond - and every rev in between. How do these journalists think multi-million or multi-billion deals are done by decades-seasoned business people, for crying in a bucket!? A quick PowerPoint and demo, and "ok, that's cool" and ink the deal??? Maybe that's the way the 20-something billionaire-boyz do it, but not these guys. It is naïve beyond words, especially when it comes to these two particular companies.

This gives journalism a bad name.

[GaryD]

What a bullshit article. So naïve it's beyond even a groan. What an embarrassment.

There is no way a company like Nokia bets the house on a platform without clear sight of Microsoft's plans for WP, right from WP7.0 through WP8, WP9 and beyond - and every rev in between. How do these journalists think multi-million or multi-billion deals are done by decades-seasoned business people, for crying in a bucket!? A quick PowerPoint and demo, and "ok, that's cool" and ink the deal??? Maybe that's the way the 20-something billionaire-boyz do it, but not these guys. It is naïve beyond words, especially when it comes to these two particular companies.

This gives journalism a bad name.

+1

[Arthur]

Jeepers, I'm still seething at the stooopidity of this article. Forgive me for sounding off.

Nokia knew every step and detail before they bet the shop on WP. They knew in detail what the WP7 to WP8 transition entailed. And the WP8 to WP9 rev, by the way. After all, they have to engineer the blerrie phones, and that's not just blowing a blerrie ROM downloaded last night from Redmond. There's very serious detailed engineering of hardware and software, with systems disciplines most journos can't even fantasize about, apparently. Nokia knows future plans down to chipsets still on the drawing board, with software plans for exploitation and support, to very great detail. And for all the componentry, devices, subsystems, down to boggling detail one can scarcely imagine. Nokia's component and subsystem orders and delivery schedules from dozens of suppliers for 2014 are already done in detail, or do these people think you just drop an email and it all comes together in a week? The world just doesn't work like that.

Neither Microsoft nor Nokia could wait two years for WP8, which is a re-engineering so mammoth most people still don't get it despite MS being quite clear. Hence WP7. By 2010 enough WinRTP API's had been defined for a first release to at least get a placeholder phone OS out there, with enough functionality to do the main phone jobs. They knew in 2010 that WP8 is when the engine changes to the same one as in servers, desktops, and tablets, with common services - and that is a HUGE issue not many journalists seem to have grasped the import of (perhaps not surprisingly). By the way, these things are not done overnight - it took Android 4 years to even get to a semi-functional first release, for pete's sake (before and after Google bought the company), and even after release it took a year for them to get a soft keyboard.

Nokia is not "hamstrung". They're grateful for a way forward, because it gets them into a platform that has immense promise in their own judgment, one they believe is worth risking the whole multi-billion euro company on. It's not a decision taken in darkness and ignorance.

And WP7 users should not feel schnaaid. If they do it's because their expectations were wrongly set by the same sort of shoddy journalism as the OP article - it doesn't come from Microsoft or Nokia (find me a single first-hand quote that says anything other than what we have). Yes, there are column-kilometres of speculations and opinions by all sorts of self-appointed experts, and the vendors can't be held to the speculations of the Press. WP7 users' phones work as advertised. I have a WP7 phone. I don't feel hamstrung or betrayed or let down in the least.

But I do feel immensely chagrined by stupid articles like this. That's what hamstrings us.

[elvis_presley]

How do these journalists think multi-million or multi-billion deals are done by decades-seasoned business people, for crying in a bucket!? .

Many journalists fall into the trap thinking they're industry insiders and know as much as the people inside the companies. People are reporting on this like Steve Elop was watching the WP8 announcement at home, and when they said "Lumia 900 won't upgrade" he spilled his coffee in his lap while he got on the phone in a panic to Steve Ballmer to say WTF DUDE!

[Arthur]

Many journalists fall into the trap thinking they're industry insiders and know as much as the people inside the companies. People are reporting on this like Steve Elop was watching the WP8 announcement at home, and when they said "Lumia 900 won't upgrade" he spilled his coffee in his lap while he got on the phone in a panic to Steve Ballmer to say WTF DUDE!

Yeah. It's un-blerrie-believable. It's arrogant and insane beyond words.

[Elimentals]

Funny enough I am for once agreeing with Arthur and friends re the Journalist that have no clue, for a different reason of-course but I do think the journalist must go get his money back.

[elvis_presley]

If iOS or WP tell you screw you, you can not go but I want it, See example Siri where Apple decided nope not gonna give it to older ones. On SGSIII all the "hackers" did was export the S Voice and made it available for anyone with root to install it.

How is this different to jailbreaking your iOS device and unlocking features Apple locked, or grabbing Nokia-specific apps from xda-developers and putting them on your non-Nokia WP7 device?

I installed all the Nokia apps on my HTC Titan. Exactly the same as your S-Voice example. Didn't even have to jailbreak it, I have a dev account and MS supplies the sideloading app for you, all legal, even if the .xap from xda-developers isn't