New TV!?

[cavedog]

I won the 40 inch Sony Bravia with Telkom in 2010 and I must say that tv set is THE BEST. The quality is supurb. You can see the difference between the cheaper models. Not to say they are not good but I love the sony I got. Samsung is also very good. My friend got one and its really good.

I think the best way to get a accurate display of the diffirence between the tv's is to go to a place that have the models on display and play the same blu ray on each one. That gives you a hands on eperience of what you will get. Obviously if you compare a R10 000 model with a R5 000 model there will be a big diference so keep that in mind too.

I heard people say stay away from those brands cause they suck but when you check the price gap its like R2000. So you need to decide if the price diference is worth it or not. Just my 2c

[PostmanPot]

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100Hz, 200 CMR.

NOT 200Hz, no need to bolster your LED-LCD TV by inflating numbers.

[PostmanPot]

I think the best way to get a accurate display of the diffirence between the tv's is to go to a place that have the models on display and play the same blu ray on each one. That gives you a hands on eperience of what you will get. Obviously if you compare a R10 000 model with a R5 000 model there will be a big diference so keep that in mind too.

The above needs to be done in dimmer viewing conditions/test room. Unless they live in a brightly lit room, and don't watch TV at night, or have bright ambient lighting at night. Very unlikely scenarios. Testing TVs on brightly lit showroom floors leads to judgement by brightness. The worst thing one could do, since brightness =/= picture quality.

[FNfal]

This one it can be networked to, best deal i have seen may be i will buy this one

http://www.dionwired.co.za/audio-vis...evision-1.html
Hmm so i decide to go to Galeria mall in toti and see if they have the SAMSUNG - 40INCH 3D FULL HIGH DEFINITION LED TV UA40D6000
Item no. 00557129

Brand: SAMSUNG

Model: UA40D6000

Availability: In stock

R4,999.99
i ask the salesman he looks blank ,and said he will look on the web site and they have no stock may be he can find out about it, i say dont bother .
Long story short they dont have and neither does gatway,and if you want to order one on line you have to stay in gauteng because that is the only place they deliver .
On the bright side i did have a good breakfast at Mug & bean

[johndoe1983]

This one it can be networked to, best deal i have seen may be i will buy this one

http://www.dionwired.co.za/audio-vis...evision-1.html
Hmm so i decide to go to Galeria mall in toti and see if they have the SAMSUNG - 40INCH 3D FULL HIGH DEFINITION LED TV UA40D6000
Item no. 00557129

Brand: SAMSUNG

Model: UA40D6000

Availability: In stock

R4,999.99
i ask the salesman he looks blank ,and said he will look on the web site and they have no stock may be he can find out about it i say dont bother .
Long story short they dont have and neither does gatway,and if you want to order one on line you have to stay in gauteng because that is the only place they deliver .
On the bright side i did have a good breakfast at Mug & bean

Try nicolway

[Roman4604]

100Hz, 200 CMR.

NOT 200Hz, no need to bolster your LED-LCD TV by inflating numbers.

Typical response from someone who's so clueless they only know how to argue about the semantics of paper specs.

All motion resolution tests are based on this standard test pattern ...

http://www.sendspace.com/file/p24isq

On my D6000 with Motion Plus & LED Motion Plus disabled, anything below 300 lines is a blurred mess. Turn on Motion Plus and the moving lines are resolvable to 1080, but they aren't stable below ±600 lines, flickering at some shades. Turn on LED Motion Plus as well and all moving lines are solid & fluid up to 1080.

I don't have and older 200Hz CCFL model without backlight scanning (strobing) to compare it to, but I don't believe they'd be able to achieve 1080 lines of motion resolution purely with the engine alone.

So why should one care if a TV is based on the newer 200Hz CMR rating, since in practice its actually superior to the old 200Hz engine only rating.

[PostmanPot]

Typical response from someone who's so clueless they only know how to argue about the semantics of paper specs.

All motion resolution tests are based on this standard test pattern ...

http://www.sendspace.com/file/p24isq

On my D6000 with Motion Plus & LED Motion Plus disabled, anything below 300 lines is a blurred mess. Turn on Motion Plus and the moving lines are resolvable to 1080, but they aren't stable below ±600 lines, flickering at some shades. Turn on LED Motion Plus as well and all moving lines are solid & fluid up to 1080.

I don't have and older 200Hz CCFL model without backlight scanning (strobing) to compare it to, but I don't believe they'd be able to achieve 1080 lines of motion resolution purely with the engine alone.

So why should one care if a TV is based on the newer 200Hz CMR rating, since in practice its actually superior to the old 200Hz engine only rating.

It's seperate from refresh rate. Refresh rate determines the number of frames drawn per second, the clear motion rate refers to the TV's ability to draw those frames correctly.

Clear Motion Rate is a marketing ploy so that they can imply a higher panel refresh rate than there actually is. That said, having a high graphics processing rate as well as a high refresh rate does help, you seem to think I am denying this.

Remember that most HD sources are only 24Hz so even a 50Hz TV would be doing some smoothing/redrawing...

First they advertised Hz, then Hz and CMR, and now they've scrapped Hz and have given us Hz CMR. Inflating numbers as per usual.

[PostmanPot]

http://forums.liveleak.com/showpost....20&postcount=4

It's not a product measurement (as such), it's a marketing strategy.

Response time for individual pixels is far less important than overall refresh rate, but if you're watching a white dot go spaz on a black screen, having a high CMR is vital.

It probably makes a "Matrix" styled screensaver look good too ... I was unfair offering a lonely star field as the only possible reason for caring.

If CMR gets' traction in the market, and Samsung refuse to license the (very likely) patented technique to rivals ... Samsung will have something their competitors don't ... meaningless numbers that people worry about.

Just like Wall Street.

[Roman4604]

It's seperate from refresh rate. Refresh rate determines the number of frames drawn per second, the clear motion rate refers to the TV's ability to draw those frames correctly.

Not even close.

http://forums.liveleak.com/showpost....20&postcount=4

And your only real response is to link to someone as clueless as you. It still astounds me how some ppl consider you an expert?

[Haldex]

D series is 2 year old tech, the E series launched this week.

[Roman4604]

D series is 2 year old tech, the E series launched this week.

1 year, the D range is 2011, the C range is 2010.

[PostmanPot]

And your only real response it to link to someone as clueless as you. It still astounds me how some ppl consider you an expert?

I don't need to be an expert to understand the difference between panel Hz and CMR, nor to understand the 1) marketing gimmick which falsely misleads people into thinking they're now getting panels with higher Hz than they actually are, and 2) that a higher Hz/CMR provides better picture quality. It would be quite nice if companies would make consumers aware they aren't necessarily going to want 400Hz CMR when watching their movies/series/doccies.

[Roman4604]

waffle

Well, you're perfectly within your rights to stay clueless, even though there are practical methods (as I've described above) to prove to yourself the benefits of the CMR ratings are real and tangible.

[PostmanPot]

Well, you're perfectly within your rights to stay clueless, even though there practical methods (as I've described above) to prove to yourself the benefits of the CMR ratings are real and tangible.

Did you leave the settings the same after your tests? Could you elaborate on your answer.

[Roman4604]

Could you elaborate on your answer.

Why, just download the .mp4 test pattern, put it on a flash drive and play it on the TV in question's media player. Play around with the motion related settings while viewing the file and check for the differences, its no harder than that.