Actually the Bible does mention it. Gen 17:9-14 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...;&version=NIV;Originally Posted by Nod
Sadly I don't know any Jewish passages.
Actually the Bible does mention it. Gen 17:9-14 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...;&version=NIV;
Sadly I don't know any Jewish passages.
I've made a huge mistake.
About time this got the chop
It is mentioned.
at one stage the hospitals were doing it to all the kids here, i've been circumcised and i have had no health problems down there. people do not clean properly and with sexual diseases being so bad i think it actually works out healthier. apparently it improves sex too.
when you're a kid you're too small to notice, it's the ideal time
Hitler's like the Mickey Mouse of evil. Except Goofy is Goebbels and Minnie is on fire in a ditch.
There can be complications. Poor hygiene is not a valid reason frankly (teach your kid to bathe FFS). Neither is the reduction in HIV infection risk a valid reason (if you are relying on your circumcision to protect you from HIV infection then you are a moron).
As to sex being better that is not only subjective but it is not a valid reason to take the choice away from someone. Heck I hear clitoral hood piercings make sex better too why not give those to the girls while we are at it because apparently that is a perfectly valid reason to perform a procedure on someone without their consent.
You don't notice. Oh perfect lets get that appendix out early while we are at it. The kid won't notice and later in life it might become a problem. Out go the tonsils too just to be sure! Come on man.
I have said it before and I will say it again: I can't think of, and have never once in all the times I have discussed this been presented with, a single valid reason to take the choice away from your child.
EDIT: Prove to me that the child's life is immediately at risk if it doesn't have that circumcision or you shouldn't be making the choice for your child.
Last edited by porchrat; 27-06-2012 at 01:16 PM.
The box said "requires Windows7 or better" so I installed Linux.
And plenty who haven't been will say they too have had no health problems.
It has practically zero benefits in preventing sexual diseases.people do not clean properly and with sexual diseases being so bad i think it actually works out healthier.
Perhaps we should cut off boys' ears too. They seem to have problems keeping them clean. I mean they'll still be able to hear. Some might say they'd be able to hear even better without all that junk in the way.
Plenty will disagree.apparently it improves sex too.
That is plain bull****.when you're a kid you're too small to notice
Then what about kids born with hairlips? Should we wait for them to be old enough to decide if they want the operation?
My son has not been circumcised, and he already has had penis infections. It's part of growing up, he is still young but plenty of people struggle with dirt getting trapped in certain areas. This just happens to be one of the areas that the skin actually folds over.
I'm against it for religious reasons, but for health reasons it's better, there is no denying it. It's still up to the parents i feel, as who is going to get a circumcision when they're 20 years old? Who says "I want better health, i'm going to go get circumcised" or "I want sex to feel better, I think i should get circumcised."
Kids will object to vaccinations, circumcisions, braces, operations. You cannot always leave the choice to your child
Hitler's like the Mickey Mouse of evil. Except Goofy is Goebbels and Minnie is on fire in a ditch.
Circumcision is the removal of the foreskin or loose sleeve of skin covering the end of the penis so as to permanently expose the glans (or knob). Ideally it should result in full exposure of the whole glans and what is named the 'coronal groove' behind it. In such examples there is no bunching of shaft skin in the groove, leaving it smooth and unable to trap 'smegma'. Smegma is a disagreeable smelly cheesy-white substance formed in damp folds of skin on the human body. It accumulates when such places are not cleaned in normal hygiene routines and has been implicated as a possible cause of cancer of the penis in uncircumcised men and of the cervix of their partners.I see no negative effects so farFor some people, as explained, circumcision is a religious requirement, whilst for others it is a social indicator marking a boy's progression into manhood. In countries like the USA, it has become an approved medical and social custom for the majority. There are strong medical reasons for circumcision - many of which actually underlie the religious and social performance of the rite.
Circumcision totally prevents Phimosis - a condition in which the opening at the end of the foreskin is too small and tight to allow it to be freely retracted over the whole glans when both flaccid and erect. For some boys this opening is so tight that the whole foreskin balloons out painfully when urinating. This is unnatural and, if not treated, can cause severe bladder and kidney problems in later life, or even death from urinary tract infection, anuria and kidney failure.
Circumcision totally prevents Paraphimosis - a condition in which the foreskin can be retracted over the glans, often with some difficulty, when flaccid but then becomes trapped in the coronal groove as the glans swells with erection. The constriction of the foreskin causes the glans to swell even more and a vicious circle sets in. Prompt professional action can return the foreskin to its original state of covering the glans, but if left a paraphimosis can cause gangrene and loss of the glans. A boy who has suffered an incidence of paraphimosis should be circumcised after the immediate relief of the symptoms to prevent it from happening again - as it surely will whilst he is enjoying sex!
Circumcision prevents Balanitis - infection of the foreskin and glans caused by bacteria and fungi which thrive on stale urine, unremoved smegma and the warm, moist environment beneath the foreskin. Irritation can also result from some individual's reaction to body soaps which contact this sensitive area. It can also sometimes be set off by certain detergents used to wash underwear. When this occurs, the inflamed area then becomes colonized by harmful bacteria. It follows that if a foreskin is removed it cannot become infected. The bared glans of a circumcised penis changes slightly and is not susceptible to this sort of infection.
Circumcision corrects Frenulum Breve - a condition in which the frenulum (a cord of skin joining the foreskin to the back of the glans in the cleft on the underside) is short and tight, thus pulling the tip of the glans over to a point of pain. It forms a tight web preventing the retracted foreskin from lying flat along the shaft. If not attended to, the short frenulum can rip during sex with painful and bloody consequences. It can also inhibit a boy's enjoyment of sex as he strives never to put any strain on the frenulum and thus limits retraction and suppresses his erections. Some women report that this tight band can rub and cause them pain during intercourse. In all circumcisions the frenulum is severed in part and in many it is removed altogether.
Circumcision increases 'staying power'. The most common complaint from women regarding sex is that their partners 'come' too quickly and they themselves are not brought to orgasm. Men naturally reach their orgasm quicker than women. Unless he takes the time and trouble to learn to delay orgasm until a partner has had hers, sex becomes a one-sided affair. By slightly reducing sensitivity of the glans, circumcision helps delay orgasm and thus improves sexual relations. Another bonus reported by both partners is that, because there is no foreskin to get in the way, the rim of the glans can be felt by the woman giving her better stimulation and the man a more sensual teasing during such movements. It is significant that almost all the artificial penises on sale are modelled on the circumcised shape, ie a larger, fuller and rounded shaped glans rather than the smaller elliptical one of the uncircumcised.
Circumcision improves genital health. Research has shown that circumcised boys suffer fewer urinary tract infections than uncircumcised boys by a factor of 10. There is also clear evidence that circumcision makes a man slightly less susceptible to catching the AIDS virus. It is also well known that cervical and penile cancer are reduced by circumcision. Urologists have observed that a much higher percentage of uncircumcised men need their professional attention in old age. An uncircumcised man whose partner suffers from 'thrush' (monillia) will harbour the infection himself (although often without symptoms). After the female partner has undergone a course of treatment and sex is resumed he re-infects her from under his foreskin. This does not happen with circumcised men.
But isn't the foreskin useful?
Like the appendix, the foreskin is a remnant from our evolutionary past and now serves no essential purpose. Unlike the appendix, which is buried deep inside the abdomen, the foreskin is easily and safely removed as a preventative measure.
Hitler's like the Mickey Mouse of evil. Except Goofy is Goebbels and Minnie is on fire in a ditch.
Confused ! Why are we discussing jews ?The case was brought against a doctor in Cologne who had circumcised a four-year-old Muslim boy on his parents' wishes
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STRAWMAN!
Firstly, you are saying that Germans are somewhat geneticallly predisposed to racism and would be subject to their genes. Racist in it self. Pot calls kettle black!
This is not against Judasim, it is against one of it's practices, therefor you would not be punnished for your religion, but for what one if it's tenants prescribes you to do.
Would burring one's own children also be justifiable, simply because a religion or belief system prescribes it?
And as to first premise, NO INDIVIDUAL has the right over the property of any other, and in whatsoever case, unless it is that this other particular individual has signed the right to that person.
It is unjust and religion has no say whatsoever! Parents don't own children, they have the duty to be their custodians and are responsible to respect and protect them in context of what a particular society has drawn as being correct, through governmental laws.
Last edited by phenom; 27-06-2012 at 01:30 PM.
Post this in PD and order extra popcorn.Like the appendix, the foreskin is a remnant from our evolutionary past
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Male and Female circumcision should be left in the Dark Ages where it belongs.
We are now living in the Modern Age... the Twenty-First Century to be precise.
There is no rational medical or social reason why we should be hacking pieces of people's genitals off.
Just knock it off already with all the superstitious crap and grow up.
A hairlip can drastically impair the quality of life of a child. An uncircumcised penis cannot. Can't compare the 2 I'm afraid.
You are better off comparing say a boob-job to circumcision. It is non-essential surgery that will not drastically impact on the quality of life of the child should it not be performed but can have devastating complications.
Rigorous bathing required. Will note that for my child.My son has not been circumcised, and he already has had penis infections. It's part of growing up, he is still young but plenty of people struggle with dirt getting trapped in certain areas. This just happens to be one of the areas that the skin actually folds over.
You know tonsils get infected too sometimes. You think we should remove those by default on children as well?... same logic.
How about the appendix? Same logic.
Please apply your logic consistently here.
Many men do for a variety of reasons. I am not against a circumcision on adults for religious reasons. I'm just not keen on a largely aesthetic procedure being done on a child.I'm against it for religious reasons, but for health reasons it's better, there is no denying it. It's still up to the parents i feel, as who is going to get a circumcision when they're 20 years old? Who says "I want better health, i'm going to go get circumcised" or "I want sex to feel better, I think i should get circumcised."
Yes but you only take that choice away when not doing the operation will impact on that child's quality of life. If you want your child to have braces because you think they will look nicer and not because they are incapable of chewing or something and the child doesn't want them then frankly I don't believe the child should be forced against his/her will to have a non-essential procedure performed on him/her.Kids will object to vaccinations, circumcisions, braces, operations. You cannot always leave the choice to your child
Vaccines and essential operations are different. Not having those done can not only drastically affect the child's quality of life, but in the case of vaccinations, the lives of others.
The box said "requires Windows7 or better" so I installed Linux.
Dear mom and dad
I know perhaps you should have asked me first, but thank you for saving me from Phimosis, Paraphimosis, Balanitis and not forgetting Frenulum Breve.
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More like: Dear mom & dad, thanks for imposing a religious ritual on me that i can never .... shake off.
Im glad my parents never put us through any of that crud. also never had any winky infections and/or cock rott. probably because my parents taught me morals instead of make belief stories.
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