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    Quote Originally Posted by abandonallhope View Post
    I don't think God will bring someone across your path without a purpose, but you will hardly ever know it at the time, and 9/10 times only after asking why why why, will it become apparent to you.

    Also keep in mind that not everybody you meet in your life was in God's plan. Very often we will push our own agenda while completely pushing God to the side, and it can land us in situations that end in considerable harm to ourselves. God does not force His plan on you, you can resist it. He has always known whether you will resist it or not, but He does not make or cause you to resist it.

    And then there are people who did not do anything that that caused their huge grief. I don't really know what to say to these people, except that our suffering and pain will only be for a season, it will all be made right in the hereafter, but I'm afraid that will only provoke their scorn.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nerfherder View Post
    So when a woman gets raped its gods plan ?
    Could you explain how you got to that conclusion ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nerfherder View Post
    So when a woman gets raped its gods plan ?
    No it's not. How can you think it is ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by abandonallhope View Post
    Could you explain how you got to that conclusion ?
    Sorry, I misread this statement:
    Also keep in mind that not everybody you meet in your life was in God's plan.
    That said. Isn't everything according to gods plan ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nerfherder View Post
    I wonder about this a lot. Not because I believe in god but because on some level I believe that my wife and I were meant to be together.

    I was a POS before my last GF and as a result of her I saw that I needed to change. She was a cheating whore but gave me a valuable life lesson. After we broke up I was in a better state of mind and met my wife.

    If I had met my wife without meeting my ex she might not have liked the person I was, we might have even started out on the wrong foot. Who knows ?
    You believe you and your current wife were meant to be together?
    So what if you weren't a douchbag with your last GF, and it worked out perfectly.... then you would be saying something different, wouldn't you?


    I'll say it again - you learned from a previous mistake, and changed.


    What you are saying is:
    "I was a reckless driver with my old car, and wrecked it. it gave me a valuable life lesson. I was meant to be driving the car I have today."

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    Quote Originally Posted by abandonallhope View Post
    I don't think God will bring someone across your path without a purpose, but you will hardly ever know it at the time, and 9/10 times only after asking why why why, will it become apparent to you.

    Also keep in mind that not everybody you meet in your life was in God's plan. Very often we will push our own agenda while completely pushing God to the side, and it can land us in situations that end in considerable harm to ourselves. God does not force His plan on you, you can resist it. He has always known whether you will resist it or not, but He does not make or cause you to resist it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by joelus View Post
    God has a plan?
    ...and won't his plan be ruined all the time by us mere mortals?

    I mean, If I was driving on the road and had an accident with another car in the middle of nowhere, and I survived but the other person was in critical condition...
    What is God's plan for that person? To live, or to die?

    Wouldn't it be my choice to help him or not?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Keeper View Post
    You believe you and your current wife were meant to be together?
    So what if you weren't a douchbag with your last GF, and it worked out perfectly.... then you would be saying something different, wouldn't you?


    I'll say it again - you learned from a previous mistake, and changed.


    What you are saying is:
    "I was a reckless driver with my old car, and wrecked it. it gave me a valuable life lesson. I was meant to be driving the car I have today."

    No fate...no destiny - you screwed up and learned from your mistake, that's all.
    Ye totally. I don't believe in fate or destiny. Its just hard to imagine that with just one minor change to my life a scenario would exist where I am not happily married to my wife.
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    How do you know you wouldn't have met a different woman and married her ?

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    Would God do this if there is no purpose?
    Is this not a self defeating statement ? Your statement assumes there is a God (which I do to btw), and if there is a God, does that not infer a purpose? Why create this universe?

    and if there is no God then "purpose" becomes rather subjective and for some irrelevant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DJ... View Post
    Christ but you can be a whiny little bitch some times, Acid. Probably best you steer clear of PD if you can't handle a few opposing opinions...
    I had question A, a series of people went "there is no God". Not relevant at all.

    It's like me posting "THERE IS NO GOD!" in the Introduction to Islam thread... ****ing pointless MORONS all of you who posted something like that instead of giving your opinion on what you believe if fate brings us together for a reason (see how I rephrased that, something you atheist bitches could have done)

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    Quote Originally Posted by AcidRaZor View Post
    I had question A, a series of people went "there is no God". Not relevant at all.

    It's like me posting "THERE IS NO GOD!" in the Introduction to Islam thread... ****ing pointless MORONS all of you who posted something like that instead of giving your opinion on what you believe if fate brings us together for a reason (see how I rephrased that, something you atheist bitches could have done)
    There is no fate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AcidRaZor View Post
    I had question A, a series of people went "there is no God". Not relevant at all.

    It's like me posting "THERE IS NO GOD!" in the Introduction to Islam thread... ****ing pointless MORONS all of you who posted something like that instead of giving your opinion on what you believe if fate brings us together for a reason (see how I rephrased that, something you atheist bitches could have done)
    You can't control how other people behave. What you can control is your reaction to them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AcidRaZor View Post
    I had question A, a series of people went "there is no God". Not relevant at all.

    It's like me posting "THERE IS NO GOD!" in the Introduction to Islam thread... ****ing pointless MORONS all of you who posted something like that instead of giving your opinion on what you believe if fate brings us together for a reason (see how I rephrased that, something you atheist bitches could have done)
    Ye but look at it like this... a lot of people bitch and moan that they have been dealt a bad hand or that they are destined to always end up with the wrong kind of person.

    How many people bitch about always making the same mistakes ? Granted the world is not always controlled by our own actions but too many people would rather blame "unknown forces" then just accept that the situation they are currently in is a result of the consequences of their actions or the actions of others.
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