Muslim clerics call for the demolition of Egypt’s Great Pyramids

[isie]

I wonder where they got that idea?

Maybe its the fact that creation place the heaven above the earth and the earth as none movable, or the fact that it stands on 4 pillars. Yeah I can see how its the church to blame instead of the book.

not getting into an argument about a religion i wont know much about, I'm just saying dont blame the religion for what some used it to persecute.

[Elimentals]

arranged marriages is tradition not religion, a marriage can be arranged as in 2 families hook up their kids but the women have the say whom she marries women being forced which is totally against Sharia - not saying it doesn't happen have seen it doesn't make it right and its not according to Islamic law
Same with full hijaab its a choice, the proper clothing for both men and women should be modes.

Blaming rape on women's clothing is first of all wrong (no mater what religion you from) the crime is 100% on the monster that did it and dont assume that Muslims make this assumption, yes some do but so do some men of other religion - its got nothing to do with religion.



not sure what you mean, we not worshipping the actual kahbah or its contents.

maybe this discussion should move to this Thread

Thanx but seeing that tanks to Quran and Taqiyya, and the view that its ok deceiving the enemy I have no interest in discussing it. If a religion has a dedicated principal that encourage people to lie about things to "save" the religion then how much of that religion can be trusted as an outsider.

I rather judge by actions and looking at them so far its not looking very good for the debate at hand, esp when I look to Muslim countries.

[evilstebunny]

I guess its true .. some people just want to see the world burn.

[abzo]

Must be because the pyramids were built by the lizard people/illuminati

[ShaunSA]

Must be because the pyramids were built by the lizard people/illuminati

Lies! They were built by the unicorns. That's why they are so pointy.

[buyeye]

Nephilim.

[abzo]

Nephilim.

Sex crazed women?

[Mike Hoxbig]

not sure what you mean, we not worshipping the actual kahbah or its contents.

maybe this discussion should move to this Thread

Because it isn't specific to Islam. When Hindus and others of pagan belief systems use statues to symbolise their gods and relics, then it's not symbolic. They're accused of idol worship and praying to the statue. It's a bit hypocritical to claim symbolism for one's own belief system, but label others.

[Haldex]

Isn't the kaabah like a direction and not an idol, an idol will be a cross that Christians wear or the statues people pray to.
Is the kaabah a statue? Didn't a prophet stand on the kaabah? Why stand on it if you idolize it?

It's the centre if the world apparently, the direction in which to pray??

I grew up with Muslims so I know a few things, but geez the atheists here claim to know more lol.

[isie]

Thanx but seeing that tanks to Quran and Taqiyya, and the view that its ok deceiving the enemy I have no interest in discussing it. If a religion has a dedicated principal that encourage people to lie about things to "save" the religion then how much of that religion can be trusted as an outsider.

I rather judge by actions and looking at them so far its not looking very good for the debate at hand, esp when I look to Muslim countries.

I'm not sure you truly understand what Takeyya means, The principle of Al Takeyya conveys the understanding that Muslims are permitted to lie as a preventive measure against anticipated harm to one's self or fellow Muslims. This principle gives Muslims the liberty to lie under circumstances that they perceive as life threatening. They can even deny the faith, if they do not mean it in their hearts.
literally if you held a gun to my head forced me to worship an Idol, if in my heart i am still a Muslim i can lie and worship the idol knowing that Allah will forgive me or more so i have committed no sin.

Because it isn't specific to Islam. When Hindus and others of pagan belief systems use statues to symbolise their gods and relics, then it's not symbolic. They're accused of idol worship and praying to the statue. It's a bit hypocritical to claim symbolism for one's own belief system, but label others.

i get your point, but the kaba doesnt symbolise Allah, its more a like a focal point sort of for unification - no mater where in the world (or recently in orbit around) you are at time of prayer all Muslims are facing this point.


can i make one thing clear, Islamicaly speaking they are wrong to destroy places of worship be it Egypt or Timbuktu (which by the way these are actually mausoleums of Muslims saints )- I'm not making excuses but people should see that dont judge us solely on what you see in the media or the extremist you see there

[Mineer]

Because it isn't specific to Islam. When Hindus and others of pagan belief systems use statues to symbolise their gods and relics, then it's not symbolic. They're accused of idol worship and praying to the statue. It's a bit hypocritical to claim symbolism for one's own belief system, but label others.

You are correct there
and a Muslim scholar agrees too

The misleading notion that Hinduism is fundamentally idolatrous was addressed in the context of Abrahamic religions by the 11th century Muslim scholar Al-Biruni. Al-Biruni rejected the notion and established that Hindus do not necessarily need anthropomorphisms, but the crowd and the members of the single sects use them most extensively.[9] Al-Biruni wrote that the Hindus believe with regard to God that He is one, eternal, without beginning and end, acting by free-will, almighty, all-wise, living, giving life, ruling, preserving; one who in his sovereignty is unique, beyond all likeness and unlikeness, and that he does not resemble anything nor does anything resemble Him.[9]

link

N.B. Idolatry is the Anthropomorphic or personification of God in an image, statue or other object.

[Mike Hoxbig]

Timbuktu (which by the way these are actually mausoleums of Muslims saints )

There's apparently one in Durban too Can't remember the exact location, but IIRC it's near a cemetery of sorts.

[isie]

There's apparently one in Durban too Can't remember the exact location, but IIRC it's near a cemetery of sorts.

yep and a couple in cape town too

[Mineer]

One man's relic/symbol is another mans idol the difference is the side you view it from. Can you imagine what will happen of someone destroye the "symbol"?

Sure, like you don't treat women as property? Arranged marriages, separation, Hijab and other attire. Blaming a women clothing if she gets raped instead of the man tells me you do not see both sexes as equal. So do not come to me with that BS.

a definition of what is an idol and what is a symbolic relic is what you require, google is a good start, I recommend you do your own research.

p.s the kaaba is not even a symbolic relic of God but more as said before a place to give direction to Muslims, and it can not be more stressed that worshiping the Kaaba or the black stone as Anthropomorphic or personification of God, is against the laws of Islam even the personification of God in a man for that matter

[Elimentals]

I'm not sure you truly understand what Takeyya means, The principle of Al Takeyya conveys the understanding that Muslims are permitted to lie as a preventive measure against anticipated harm to one's self or fellow Muslims. This principle gives Muslims the liberty to lie under circumstances that they perceive as life threatening. They can even deny the faith, if they do not mean it in their hearts.
literally if you held a gun to my head forced me to worship an Idol, if in my heart i am still a Muslim i can lie and worship the idol knowing that Allah will forgive me or more so i have committed no sin.

You missed the entire message, again trying to explain interpretations after I pointed out that merely "ok to lie" exists.

Let me put it this way: Words mean nothing because people can lie, deeds is whats doing the talking for me and from what I have seen, the deeds lead me to other conclusions.