Can't agree with that. Equating Israel with Jews in absolute terms is already silly, given the amount of Arabs that live there (20% percent of the population). To equate the Israeli government with Jews is an even greater leap. What about the many Jews who disagree vehemently with what their government is doing? Are they all self-hating Jews, or do some of them maybe have legitimate grievances? Same goes for non-Jews, I'd imagine.Originally Posted by marine1
"Unseen, in the background, Fate was quietly slipping the lead into the boxing-glove..."
No, they do not. Not all Israelis are Jews and not all Jews are Israelis. Some Jews were not even born in Israel and have never set foot inside Israel. There are also a number of Arab Israelis as well. People of Arabic stock that have been born inside Israel and most of them adhere to the Islamic faith as well, making them Israelis but not Jews.
So you can dislike the Israeli government and not be anti-Semitic or anti-Israeli. You are confusing the refusal to acknowledge Israel's right to exist with opposition to Israeli policies.
And for the record, I am supportive of Israel's right to exist but I also believe in a two-state solution. And in reaching the two-state solution both the Israeli governemt and the Palestinian Authority, along with the Arab World at large, need to make compromises to achieve a peaceful solution.
Last edited by thestaggy; 23-07-2012 at 07:43 AM.
I have tried for years to explain to marine that disliking the israeli government does not mean people hate jews, much the same as i don't like the american government and if we follow marines line of thought i then also hate every american but sadly it doesn't sink in.
If you don't support the israeli government you are a jew hater according to marine. Idiotic but each to their own i guess.
I dont like the american govt, the british govt, french govt, south african govt, isreali govt, syrian govt, iranian govt, chinese govt, zim govt.
Unfortunatly we have to have the bastards, purely because someone else has them. Its like laywers. The only reason you need a lawyer is because someone else has a lawyer.
In the west, govts also serve as a convenience, that whenever there is a major cock-up we can blame someone, who gets fired or gets voted out and everyone thinks thats nice, and the wider society can continue. This works well for western foreign policy because people outside of the west think that presidents and prime ministers actually run western countries(silly foreigners), so all we have do is vote them out if they invade someone or make up stories about WMD's and that buys the western countries 4 or 5 years where the new dude can carry on the existing policy. The rinse and repeat.
Its also crazy how people dont have a clue how international relations work. Every govt is hypocritical. They will do whatever it takes to advance the interests of their country. There is no such thing as international law. Only international treaties. And countries with bigger guns. "International Law" is term penned by UN beaurocrats who need to justify their budgets. People whinge about the americans/uk support for bahrain. Big deal. Everyone has relations with some or other scumbag. They say, oh but the americans/brits say this about syria and then do that with regard to Bahrain. Big yawn. South African gets all high and mighty about things, but backs dicators all over the world, including Zimbabwe and Libya. And the Russians, Chinese, Germans, French, Israelis... etc.
If you are selectivly critising one govt, then all you are showing is that you have preference for dicators which differs from the govt you are whining about. Which makes you no different to the americans. And equally boring as the americans
Last edited by zippy; 23-07-2012 at 03:11 PM.
I actually don't support any governments but i do speak out when the likes of america get rid of dictators while supporting other dictators.
At least dictators are consistently bad and it is very obvious they are bad where as the americans are looked at as though they are heroes who will set everyone free but that is hardly the case.
I dislike the west because they are all about war, they are all about telling certain countries how to do things while their friends can do what they like.
If they could start removing every dictator friend or foe i would support their efforts but until then they are just a bunch of war mongers who lie and deceive many people.
O marine i don't hate the people in the west just in case you confuse the governments with the people which is par for the course.
You only speak out against 1 govt. You make excuses for the others
i think he does speak out against all governments, he is just more vigilante in fighting against hypocrisy in posters than governments. i think we all just misunderstand each other adn assume we tolerate cetain wrongs because we are on perceived sides
Hitler's like the Mickey Mouse of evil. Except Goofy is Goebbels and Minnie is on fire in a ditch.
I speak out mostly because daily one government has double standards, the rest of the US friends are just puppets who follow their leader.
Be friendly with the US do what you like, be unfriendly and you will either be attacked or sanctioned.
If that is speaking out against one government then so be it but you cannot continue to miss the obvious and blatant double standards.
Sadly some people can accept it and some cannot. One rule applied across the board would be welcomed and supported. Granted the US are not the only government who has double standards but they are the only government who try to rule over everyone else. If a country wants to police the planet then have one set of rules and apply them to everyone.
more drivel
I know the truth hurts but don't worry there are many people who can see the truth and the numbers are growing by the day.
Last edited by killadoob; 24-07-2012 at 03:16 PM.
Lol. You sound like some yank preacher.
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