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    US officials say Damascus is moving parts of its chemical weapons arsenal, an allegation denied by Syrian authorities. Some in Washington imply that the weapons may be used for “ethnic cleansing”.
    Syria is believed to have a large arsenal of chemical weapons, including sarin nerve agent, mustard gas and cyanide, which is undeclared due to the country not being a signatory to the Chemical Weapons Convention.
    The Wall Street Journal cites unnamed US officials as saying that parts of the arsenal are being relocated from their storage facilities.
    The Syrian government denied the alleged move when asked for comments.

    "This is absolutely ridiculous and untrue," said Syria's Foreign Ministry spokesman, Jihad Makdissi. "If the US is so well-informed, why can't they help [UN envoy] Kofi Annan in stopping the flow of illegal weapons to Syria in order to end the violence and move towards the political solution?"
    The White House, the Central Intelligence Agency and the Pentagon declined to comment.
    But WSJ sources insist that it is happening, although they differ on the reasons for the claimed relocation. Some believe Damascus is doing it to secure from being taken over by the armed opposition. Others say it is a veiled threat against potential supporters of the rebels – both inside the country and abroad.
    The most pessimistic say the Syrian military are preparing to use the chemical weapons against the rebels and civilians.
    "The regime has a plan for ethnic cleansing, and we must come to terms with this," one US official said. "There is no diplomatic solution."
    "This could set the precedent of WMD [weapons of mass destruction] being used under our watch," another one said. "This is incredibly dangerous to our national security."
    The source did not specify which of the many ethnic groups mixed in Syria the government may wish to attack with the highly indiscriminate weapons in a move which would doubtlessly provoke international condemnation.
    The search for weapons of mass destruction was the main stated reason for the 2003 American occupation of Saddam Hussein’s Iraq. The weapons which the dictator was allegedly prepared to use against Europe never materialized. The necessity to stop ethnic cleansings in Bosnia in the 1990s was one of the reasons why the US got involved in the war there.
    The new intelligence may be used to bolster calls for international action to remove Assad, another official said, but also to underline the risks of intervening against a military armed with weapons of mass destruction.
    The official did not say what threats the weapons could pose to military aircraft delivering air strikes against Syrian targets from their bases in other nations and aircraft carriers. The scenario for a possible intervention is most likely as evidenced by the bombing campaign in Libya.
    Earlier some Israeli top brass said they would use force and secure Syrian chemical weapons stockpiles if they are at risk of falling into the hands of Hezbollah or Al-Qaeda. The US military also held joint drills with Jordanians, exploiting a scenario that involved taking over a Syrian chemical weapons storage facility.
    http://www.rt.com/news/syria-chemica...ons-moved-110/

    O no here we go again with the lies and BS to get a war.

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    There was a case to bomb the totalitarian regime that is killing its own people ages ago. They do not need these excuses. Everyone is waiting for the corrupt governments of China and Russia to come on board.

    I love what the people of Syria say. When they get control of their government they will not be doing business with China and Russia. I dont blame them.

    The sooner the UN and League of Arab nations get in there, the less lives will be lost.
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    Meh... nuke the whole place.
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    Its long but should be read

    They're selling the idea of military intervention and regime change, and the mainstream news is hungry to buy. Many of the "activists" and spokespeople representing the Syrian opposition are closely (and in many cases financially) interlinked with the US and London – the very people who would be doing the intervening. Which means information and statistics from these sources isn't necessarily pure news – it's a sales pitch, a PR campaign.
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisf...ng-the-talking
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    Quote Originally Posted by killadoob View Post
    http://www.rt.com/news/syria-chemica...ons-moved-110/

    O no here we go again with the lies and BS to get a war.
    The Syrians have admitted that they have these weapons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zippy View Post
    The Syrians have admitted that they have these weapons.
    And killa remains silent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by killadoob View Post
    http://www.rt.com/news/syria-chemica...ons-moved-110/

    O no here we go again with the lies and BS to get a war.
    So do you support the current regime of Syria?
    I've got to stop saying "how stupid can you be?"...........Too many people are taking it as a challenge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zippy View Post
    The Syrians have admitted that they have these weapons.
    http://www.rt.com/news/syria-chemica...agression-873/

    quote from cnn.com
    "I think we've been absolutely clear where we stand on this issue, which is that any possible use of these kinds of weapons will be completely unacceptable," State Department spokeswoman Victoria Nuland said. "Any talk about any use of any kind of a weapon like that in this situation is horrific and chilling. The Syrian regime has a responsibility to the world, has a responsibility first and foremost to its own citizens to protect and safeguard those weapons."
    Interesting that a country that has nuked and used agent orange is telling people they should never use such weapons. It's like the anc telling people not to be corrupt.

    Good to see the syrian government has made it clear they do not intend to use it on any syrian people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Assimilator View Post
    And killa remains silent.
    His feable attempt.

    @killa
    FFS get a life!

    Quote Originally Posted by killadoob View Post
    http://www.rt.com/news/syria-chemica...agression-873/

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    Interesting that a country that has nuked and used agent orange is telling people they should never use such weapons. It's like the anc telling people not to be corrupt.

    Good to see the syrian government has made it clear they do not intend to use it on any syrian people.

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    Bwahahaha, Epic Fail once again for Killa... more proof that 99% of his crappy posts are just utter "lies and BS"! (To use his own terminology)

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    Quote Originally Posted by killadoob View Post
    Interesting that a country that has nuked and used agent orange is telling people they should never use such weapons.
    The difference is that they used them to stop a war and ultimately prevent more loss of lives, if you still haven't figured that out yet, then there is no hope for your understanding of history (not that I was ever holding out any hope for you anyway!).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Garyvdh View Post
    The difference is that they used them to stop a war and ultimately prevent more loss of lives, if you still haven't figured that out yet, then there is no hope for your understanding of history (not that I was ever holding out any hope for you anyway!).
    In the words of those that were there :

    Admiral Leahy, Chief of Staff to presidents Roosevelt and Truman, later commented:

    It is my opinion that the use of the barbarous weapon at Hiroshima and Nagasaki was of no material assistance in our war against Japan ... The Japanese were already defeated and ready to surrender
    General Douglas MacArthur, Commander of US Army forces in the Pacific, stated on numerous occasions before his death that the atomic bomb was completely unnecessary from a military point of view: "My staff was unanimous in believing that Japan was on the point of collapse and surrender."
    General Curtis LeMay, who had pioneered precision bombing of Germany and Japan (and who later headed the Strategic Air Command and served as Air Force chief of staff), put it most succinctly: "The atomic bomb had nothing to do with the end of the war."
    http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v16/v16n3p-4_Weber.html

    The following term of surrender were proposed by the Japanese as early as January 1945:

    Full surrender of the Japanese forces, air, land and sea, at home and in all occupied countries.

    Surrender of all arms and ammunition.

    Agreement of the Japanese to occupation of their homeland and island possessions.

    Relinquishment of Manchuria, Korea and Formosa.

    Regulation of Japanese industry.

    Surrender of designated war criminals for trial.

    Release of all prisoners.

    Other than retention of the emperor these terms were identical to the final surrender terms.

    http://www.hnn.us/articles/129964.html

    http://voices.yahoo.com/the-atomic-b...ii-686694.html

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    No Bahrain or Vietnam yet (although the agent orange reference could count towards Vietnam I guess)?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nanfeishen View Post
    In the words of those that were there :







    http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v16/v16n3p-4_Weber.html

    The following term of surrender were proposed by the Japanese as early as January 1945:

    Full surrender of the Japanese forces, air, land and sea, at home and in all occupied countries.

    Surrender of all arms and ammunition.

    Agreement of the Japanese to occupation of their homeland and island possessions.

    Relinquishment of Manchuria, Korea and Formosa.

    Regulation of Japanese industry.

    Surrender of designated war criminals for trial.

    Release of all prisoners.

    Other than retention of the emperor these terms were identical to the final surrender terms.

    http://www.hnn.us/articles/129964.html

    http://voices.yahoo.com/the-atomic-b...ii-686694.html

    At the end of the day the truth is simple Truman simply wanted to use his new "toy"

    Hindsight is always 20/20.
    The fact is that the order of events was
    1) atomic bomb
    2) japan surrendered
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    Quote Originally Posted by eehellfire View Post
    Hindsight is always 20/20.
    The fact is that the order of events was
    1) atomic bomb
    2) japan surrendered
    Agreed.... People quibble about it now... but the REAL FACTS are that Japan was delaying, delaying, delaying... once the bombs were dropped, there was finally a willingness to end it.
    People stopped dying IMMEDIATELY when the bombs were dropped. There is NO WAY you can argue about that.

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