Do you think the Desire S will also not updated? That would suck.
Do you think the Desire S will also not updated? That would suck.
The Desire S already got an OTA update in China, so now everyone is just waiting for Europe (and the rest of the world) to release the OTA as well.Originally Posted by Vulk
People always say this, and I always find it to be incredibly annoying:
1. I have never found a custom ROM that was as reliable and stable as a factory ROM.
2. Rooting and flashing a custom ROM voids the warranty. If you're paying R6,000 or R7,000 for a phone, you should not have to choose between having a warranty and getting decent software support - you should get both!
3. The vast majority of users are not tech savvy enough to unlock a bootloader, root a phone, or flash a ROM. And yes, they deserve proper software support too.
My most humble apologies for having annoyed you...
That just means you haven't found the right one, not that it doesn't exist. I can only judge based upon my own experience but with both my old Desire and my current Sensation the custom ROMs I've ended up with have been smoother, lighter on the battery and rock-solid stable. The only exceptions have been early iterations of new software versions, but there's always a choice between running the latest and greatest (but possibly less polished) or sticking with the tried and trusted until the kinks are worked out.
...and reversing the flash and root washes away any trace that the phone was tinkered with.
The 'vast majority of users' wouldn't give an airborne rodent's posterior that they're not running the most current version of Android. Unless there are major functional shortcomings in what's on the phone, the 'vast majority of users' will be quite happy to use a phone in its out-of-box state. It is only because you aren't an average user that you even know that Gingerbread, Ice Cream Sandwich and Jelly Bean aren't just sweet treats.
Some people's definition of what constitutes 'proper software support' pushes the boundaries as far as I'm concerned. The Desire HD's nearly 2 years old and, if this proves to be true, I can understand that HTC would be tapering off support for it.
The problem is, you're setting up a false dichotomy here, where Android users are either a) smart people who want the latest software and are totally comfortable with rooting, or b) stupid people who don't know what rooting is and don't know or care what version they're on.
While I agree that probably the majority of Android users fall into the second category, and there's also small minority (probably about 1-2% of Android users overall) who fall into the first category, I would argue that there is also a much larger minority that falls somewhere in between: semi-advanced users who download apps, browse the web, use many of the more advanced features on Android, and want to be the on the newest version of the OS, but don't feel comfortable rooting their phones.
While I can't cite statistics to prove it, I suspect that these semi-advanced users constitute a large portion of Android users overall - definitely larger than the XDA-dev crowd. In real life, just about I everyone I know who has a smartphone falls into this category. And I would sort-of classify myself into this category this too. Both of my previous phones were rooted and ran custom ROMs, but I wouldn't say I'm exactly comfortable with rooting: partially because of the concerns over stability and warranties that I mentioned before, partially because I fear ending up with a situation like this, and partially because I believe as a matter of principle that phones ought to be updated by their manufacturer for at least the two-year duration of a typical cellular contract.
Yes, the Desire HD is an old phone. But this isn't just about the Desire HD: it's about the fact that Android's update process is so broken and skewed by perverse incentives that only 11% of the users were on ICS when Jelly Bean was released, and the fact that version adoption for each new version of Android is actually getting slower with every release. And frankly, why shouldn't the Desire HD get an update? It was a flagship phone when it was released; many people who bought it are still under contract; and the hardware is capable of running ICS, whatever HTC may say. The problem is that OEMs are short-sighted: they cease to care about their customers the instant they've walked out of the cellphone store, and they're more interested in forcing users towards their next upgrade than building lasting loyalty towards their brand.
what exactly do you do when you "slap" a custom ROM on your android ?
Sigh! I am so sick of HTC **** ... they really are screwing up a very good product ... I guess its
Samsung S3 and I'm dropping the thought of getting another HTC phone, sales of the last phone
are doing bad because they suck at after sales support!!!
HTC FAIL!!!
WA!
Personally, I go to xda-developers and I start reading... a lot. Small things change from one handset to another, and I make very, very certain that I know what I'm doing.
Whilst I don't outright disagree with much you say, I believe you miss out on another distinction one must draw: how much of demanding upgrades is practically motivated, and how much of it is rooted in emotion. In other words, will a given phone be functionally worse off if it were not to receive an update to whatever the newest version at the time, or are many people just after eye candy and bragging rights?
I wouldn't mind OEMs committing to keeping a product updated for two years, but practically how much of a difference would that make? Percentage wise, how many of a given product is sold as soon as it comes to market, compared to during the following months? You're going to have a large group of disappointed people regardless. As such, I'm happy to spend the time & taking the small risk in sating my own needs (and I use the word loosely) to stay current.
Even if OEMs do have as little regard for fostering brand loyalty as you seem to think, that's but the wonder of capitalism. Companies will, by and large, exhibit whatever attitude towards their customers garners them the most money. It sucks, but it is what it is. None the less my past and current experience with HTC's hardware will likely see me supporting them still in future, but I'll look after my own software needs.
Sigh! The search continues for the 'perfect' android phone - looks like I am going to have to seriously consider the stock Google phon.
BTW, does anyone know how many future versions a nexus will support - so for instance, will a Nexus S be upgradeable to Jelly Bean?
1. Odd as I find MIUI pretty stable, in fact I think current versions is more stable than Stock Android
2. can be fixed with an RUU, even then I have yet to hear anyone claim this a problem with hardware repair that got refused due to a custom ROM on a phone.
3. They normally would not even know what is on the latest versions or what they missing. Android's modular nature allows for applications to update without the need for an OS overall like other mobile OS's. One example of this is Google maps or even Gmail where iOS users need an entire OS upgrade Android users get the latest simply by updating the affected apps.
That said:
My HTC Desire HD is on MIUIv4 2.7.6 and already sport features that is only in JB.
Jelly bean keyboard https://play.google.com/store/apps/d....bean_keyboard
Google Now http://forum.xda-developers.com/show....php?t=1749045
Google Sound search http://forum.xda-developers.com/show....php?t=1742652
.... and thanks for all the fish.
You sir must be feeding us false information... its not possible for PE to has a windspeed of 9m/s that is waaay too little1. Odd as I find MIUI pretty stable, in fact I think current versions is more stable than Stock Android
2. can be fixed with an RUU, even then I have yet to hear anyone claim this a problem with hardware repair that got refused due to a custom ROM on a phone.
3. They normally would not even know what is on the latest versions or what they missing. Android's modular nature allows for applications to update without the need for an OS overall like other mobile OS's. One example of this is Google maps or even Gmail where iOS users need an entire OS upgrade Android users get the latest simply by updating the affected apps.
That said:
My HTC Desire HD is on MIUIv4 2.7.6 and already sport features that is only in JB.
Jelly bean keyboard https://play.google.com/store/apps/d....bean_keyboard
Google Now http://forum.xda-developers.com/show....php?t=1749045
Google Sound search http://forum.xda-developers.com/show....php?t=1742652
Im a big miui fan though, ran it for quite a while on my DHD.
A computer programmer is someone who, when told to "Go to Hell", sees
the "Go to", rather than the destination, as harmful."
ROFL!! Nope its trueYou sir must be feeding us false information... its not possible for PE to has a windspeed of 9m/s that is waaay too little
.... and thanks for all the fish.
Oh I went to htcdev.com, unlocked my bootloader, flashed my recovery ROM or whatever it's called and have had several ROMs on it, but I've never "slapped" anything on an android, I don't think so. I didn't even have to know what I was doing, I just needed the ability to read.
Anyway on a serious note, 90% of all the custom roms for the desire s look kitsch and tacky and have some sort of mishap. Nothing beats a stock HTC image.
Elimentals we know you can mod the **** out of any android phone, but you are spectacularly missing Vulk's point which still stands.
How is the camera functions?
Unlike other ICS ROMs fully operational and this includes panoramic shoothing.
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