Not real 4x4s? Subaru Forester,Audi Q5,Honda CRV,Rav-4,LR Freelander

[burn]

Depends on what your definition of 4x4 is.

Agreed.

A 4x4 is a car that can be driven by all four wheels. Subaru, for one, has a pretty impressive 4x4 system.

But yes, I agree that the above listed cars' off-road ability can be questioned.

[Fazda]

Absolutely, those subaru's are all rubbish.

If nobody has told you lately, may I tell you that you talk utter crap!

The 4x4 trail story normally demands that the cars have a donkey low gear.

As far as the ground clearance goes the Forester had GC of 225 mm - which is bettered Only by a Land Cruiser.

[BigAl-sa]

Depends on what your definition of 4x4 is.

I remember driving up the 4x4 section in Itala NR, and there was an oke in one of the vehicles on the list also trying to go up. He kept trying to rev the cr@p out of the thing and it kept dying on the first slope. My trusty antique Hilux (no diff lock) just puttered past him in 3rd gear LR.

That said, also from the list, I was pretty impressed with the Forester's sand handling abilities.

[Naks]

As far as the ground clearance goes the Forester had GC of 225 mm - which is bettered Only by a Land Cruiser.

Eh? A Defender has a ground clearance of 245mm

But enough talk of 'on paper' values. The real question is: which one can get to the top of Matroosberg mountain?

[Fazda]

Eh? A Defender has a ground clearance of 245mm

But enough talk of 'on paper' values. The real question is: which one can get to the top of Matroosberg mountain?

Sorry, I was thinking Toyota, and ignored the Defender - you are correct.

That being said, there is very little that will stop a Forester or a VW Syncro....

[ChocolateBadger]

A 4x4's wheels are all powered equally where as AWD has each wheel receiving different power depending on traction/preset

correct?

[Fazda]

If anyone wants to see what a SYNCRO can do, follow this link and look at the video:

http://foresterforum.co.za/showthread.php?t=637

[marco79]

Please note that this only applies because of the amount of snow on these trails at the moment. Please don't take the warning out of context.

None of those vehicles are 4x4 with low range, they are AWD vehicles.

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[ponder]

Can you really not use those vehicles there?

People also say you need a 4x4 for Sani Pass but that's BS. Passed a Merc W123 going in the opposite direction once and we pissed ourselves laughing. The border dudes reckon they see the guy a lot as he goes into Underberg to go buy stuff and then comes back over the border.

[SirFooK'nG]

Forrester Action, IMO no other Station Wagon can match it ... not to mention quite a few 4X4's

[CrazyFig]

Comparisons show that the subaru is the worst of the lot by a considerable margin.

What comparison? If you have proof, then thats ok...please post said proof cos Im interested how and why it failed so bad...otherwise thats just an opinion.

Absolutely, those subaru's are all rubbish.

Same as my reply above. Seems more like your opinion of the brand than a fact, is that correct?

[rorz0r]

If nobody has told you lately, may I tell you that you talk utter crap!

The 4x4 trail story normally demands that the cars have a donkey low gear.

As far as the ground clearance goes the Forester had GC of 225 mm - which is bettered Only by a Land Cruiser.

Lol, took you long enough to reply Why you not shouting at abandonallhope huh?

[Fazda]

What comparison? If you have proof, then thats ok...please post said proof cos Im interested how and why it failed so bad...otherwise thats just an opinion.



Same as my reply above. Seems more like your opinion of the brand than a fact, is that correct?

Thanks for that - stupid no brain remarks like theirs just piss me off!

[Fazda]

Lol, took you long enough to reply Why you not shouting at abandonallhope huh?

I actually am working, so reading crap no brain remarks means that I can only cope with one at a time.

[Hemi300c]

Never never under estimate the capabilities of a Forester unless you want to load 1ton of sand!!