Well that wasn't my point. I was being specific about you two. Your beliefs, to me, are mad.
As for the many hundreds of millions of Christians, well they are all deluded as I mentioned earlier, but for varying reasons they may or may not be mad. I suppose it depends on how you came into the religion.
For a lot of people there was no choice and the heavy handed indoctrination left a path out quite difficult if not impossible. Especially the children abused as youngsters into being forced to believe or suffer horribly for eternity. They had no choice, I feel sad for them unable to distinguish between reality and fantasy as adults.
And of course for adults, many need a teddy bear when life doesn't quite work out. Can't really blame them either.
But of course, there are a huge number of people who refuse to think about things and continue unabated in their preposterous beliefs without even being aware of the contents of the book they claim to follow. They are mad.
So I don't know how you came into your beliefs, but to continue to believe when you know how to use the internet??? Well, there has to be something missing somewhere. Whether it is your fault or not, not to question is madness.
Thank you for your concern .
I can tell you now that I have studied the bible and have a good understanding of who God is and what he wants from me.
Now you can stop feeling sorry for me.
Btw I only studied the bible as an adult , yes they did teach religious studies when I was in primary school but I couldn't follow any of it. So maybe you should give it another shot if you had a similar experiance in school.![]()
I and the voice inside my head(vis a vis my conscience) both agree that Jehovas partenalistic rulership is better than Satans liberal anarchy.
The contents of the bible are meaningless unless you know who wrote them. The overwhelming evidence says it was men, loooongggg after the supposed events where the supposed star of the book supposedly lived and supposedly had every word he ever supposedly said transcribed by people who weren't there, never met him or indeed met anyone who met him. If he lived at all.
But hey, if you studied it, I'd be interested to know how you interpret the hundreds of contradictions. Can you tell me for example which lineage of Jesus to David is correct? I'm no expert, but I recall one line of ancestors had about 40 generations, and the other had about 25, with very few being the same people.
Both in the new testament by two different authors (was is Matthew and Luke?), and both completely contradict each other.
So was God wrong, or was it indeed written by man?
If by man, how did they transcribe all of these conversations decades and centuries after the supposed events? Like Jesus talking to Mary Magdelene for example, where were the witnesses who heard the conversation? Now I heard this bit was added by the RC church about 400 after the crucification. Can that be correct? If so, as a scholar, how do you explain it?
Did God guide the hand of the Pope? Are you a catholic? If not why follow what they say from then when you wouldn't now. Should that bit be removed from the bible?
Sheesh, so many questions. Good to meet a scholar to answer them though.
Please enlighten me.
Thank you for your interest i'll start by saying I believe the teachings by JW's are closest to what the bible realy teaches.
Here is Christs lineage:
Matthew 1:1-25
"1The book of the history of Jesus Christ, son of David, son of Abraham:
2Abraham became father to Isaac;
Isaac became father to Jacob;
Jacob became father to Judah and his brothers;
3Judah became father to PeŽrez and to ZeŽrah by TaŽmar;
PeŽrez became father to HezŽron;
HezŽron became father to Ram;
4Ram became father to Am·minŽa·dab;
Am·minŽa·dab became father to NahŽshon;
NahŽshon became father to SalŽmon;
5SalŽmon became father to BoŽaz by RaŽhab;
BoŽaz became father to OŽbed by Ruth;
OŽbed became father to JesŽse;
6JesŽse became father to David the king.
David became father to SolŽo·mon by the wife of U·riŽah;
7SolŽo·mon became father to Re·ho·boŽam;
Re·ho·boŽam became father to A·biŽjah;
A·biŽjah became father to AŽsa;
8AŽsa became father to Je·hoshŽa·phat;
Je·hoshŽa·phat became father to Je·hoŽram;
Je·hoŽram became father to Uz·ziŽah;
9Uz·ziŽah became father to JoŽtham;
JoŽtham became father to AŽhaz;
AŽhaz became father to Hez·e·kiŽah;
10Hez·e·kiŽah became father to Ma·nasŽseh;
Ma·nasŽseh became father to AŽmon;
AŽmon became father to Jo·siŽah;
11Jo·siŽah became father to Jec·o·niŽah and to his brothers at the time of the deportation to Babylon.
12After the deportation to Babylon Jec·o·niŽah became father to She·alŽti·el;
She·alŽti·el became father to Ze·rubŽba·bel;
13Ze·rubŽba·bel became father to A·biŽud;
A·biŽud became father to E·liŽa·kim;
E·liŽa·kim became father to AŽzor;
14AŽzor became father to ZaŽdok;
ZaŽdok became father to AŽchim;
AŽchim became father to E·liŽud;
15E·liŽud became father to El·e·aŽzar;
El·e·aŽzar became father to MatŽthan;
MatŽthan became father to Jacob;
16Jacob became father to Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom Jesus was born, who is called Christ."
Please tell me which question you want me to respond to next.I almost forgot the bible is insipred by(of) God but the actual pen to paper was by men. This is why some of the illustrations have understanding of that Era.
Last edited by buyeye; 19-07-2012 at 08:08 PM.
I and the voice inside my head(vis a vis my conscience) both agree that Jehovas partenalistic rulership is better than Satans liberal anarchy.
Please read this one carefully paying extra attention at the end as this names them back to the begining of man. All generations even before Abraham friend of God , that is where the extra generations come in.
Luke 3:23-38
"23Furthermore, Jesus himself, when he commenced [his work], was about thirty years old, being the son, as the opinion was,
of Joseph,
[son] of HeŽli,
24[son] of MatŽthat,
[son] of LeŽvi,
[son] of MelŽchi,
[son] of JanŽna·i,
[son] of Joseph,
25[son] of Mat·ta·thiŽas,
[son] of AŽmos,
[son] of NaŽhum,
[son] of EsŽli,
[son] of NagŽga·i,
26[son] of MaŽath,
[son] of Mat·ta·thiŽas,
[son] of SemŽe·in,
[son] of JoŽsech,
[son] of JoŽda,
27[son] of Jo·anŽan,
[son] of RheŽsa,
[son] of Ze·rubŽba·bel,
[son] of She·alŽti·el,
[son] of NeŽri,
28[son] of MelŽchi,
[son] of AdŽdi,
[son] of CoŽsam,
[son] of El·maŽdam,
[son] of Er,
29[son] of Jesus,
[son] of E·li·eŽzer,
[son] of JoŽrim,
[son] of MatŽthat,
[son] of LeŽvi,
30[son] of SymŽe·on,
[son] of Judas,
[son] of Joseph,
[son] of JoŽnam,
[son] of E·liŽa·kim,
31[son] of MeŽle·a,
[son] of MenŽna,
[son] of MatŽta·tha,
[son] of Nathan,
[son] of David,
32[son] of JesŽse,
[son] of OŽbed,
[son] of BoŽaz,
[son] of SalŽmon,
[son] of NahŽshon,
33[son] of Am·minŽa·dab,
[son] of ArŽni,
[son] of HezŽron,
[son] of PeŽrez,
[son] of Judah,
34[son] of Jacob,
[son] of Isaac,
[son] of Abraham,
[son] of TeŽrah,
[son] of NaŽhor,
35[son] of SeŽrug,
[son] of ReŽu,
[son] of PeŽleg,
[son] of EŽber,
[son] of SheŽlah,
36[son] of Ca·iŽnan,
[son] of Ar·pachŽshad,
[son] of Shem,
[son] of Noah,
[son] of LaŽmech,
37[son] of Me·thuŽse·lah,
[son] of EŽnoch,
[son] of JaŽred,
[son] of Ma·haŽla·le·el,
[son] of Ca·iŽnan,
38[son] of EŽnosh,
[son] of Seth,
[son] of Adam,
[son] of God. "
I and the voice inside my head(vis a vis my conscience) both agree that Jehovas partenalistic rulership is better than Satans liberal anarchy.
I can, seems the bush can speak
"The oldest and strongest emotion of mankind is fear, and the oldest and strongest kind of fear is fear of the unknown" - H.P. Lovecraft
I've also spoken to God before, problem is he never says anything back. I don't think he likes me.
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