Warning to potential subscribers

[Speedster]

Just a friendly warning to any potential 8ta data users - the service (actual internet connection) and customer support is utter crap. I've had techies come to my house, numerous phone calls from 8ta, been told the problem has been "fixed" at least twice but through all of this there has been absolutely NO CHANGE at all to the perfomance.

So once again I'm down to following today's rugby and cricket via text commentary as 8ta bombs out as soon as kick-off starts / the first ball is bowled. They simply can't handle the load on their system.

[cavedog]

sounds more like a problem that you have. I have a pretty good connection and good coverage and the speeds are great. If I was a new client looking into 8ta I would have still been stuck with EDGE from MTN and GPRS from Vodacom and 1Mpbs speed from cellc. Just saying that its not always everyone that will have a problem if you have one.

[Speedster]

Just a friendly warning to any potential 8ta data users - the service (actual internet connection) and customer support is utter crap. I've had techies come to my house, numerous phone calls from 8ta, been told the problem has been "fixed" at least twice but through all of this there has been absolutely NO CHANGE at all to the perfomance.

So once again I'm down to following today's rugby and cricket via text commentary as 8ta bombs out as soon as kick-off starts / the first ball is bowled. They simply can't handle the load on their system.

I doubt very much that it's just me - anybody out there who IS able to stream any big games from Supersport via 8ta without extensive buffering? The techies tell me I have very strong signal and am 400m from the tower.


Besides, if they're totally unable to ANYTHING about my problem, what makes you think they'll be able to address someone else's?

And then we're not even talking about the frequent disconnects and system down time (as we had this morning)

[MickZA]

Anybody know what the current state of play visa-vi DSTV/MWeb & 8.ta peering is? Sounds as though this might be the problem here.

[stricken]

Anybody know what the current state of play visa-vi DSTV/MWeb & 8.ta peering is? Sounds as though this might be the problem here.

8ta not peered at JINX or CINX. probably going via London. lol.

[chrisc4290]

Just a friendly warning to any potential 8ta data users - the service (actual internet connection) and customer support is utter crap. I've had techies come to my house, numerous phone calls from 8ta, been told the problem has been "fixed" at least twice but through all of this there has been absolutely NO CHANGE at all to the perfomance.

So once again I'm down to following today's rugby and cricket via text commentary as 8ta bombs out as soon as kick-off starts / the first ball is bowled. They simply can't handle the load on their system.

Agree 100%. If you have a good signal with good throughput, consider yourself lucky. After 7 months complaining, 8ta sent out a techie who arrived 3 weeks late for his appointment saying he got lost. He had a laptop with a flat battery and had never heard of the idea of attaching an external aerial to a modem to improve the reception. I took back the 8ta SIM to the shop and stopped the debit order.

[unskinnybob]

Agree 100%. If you have a good signal with good throughput, consider yourself lucky. After 7 months complaining, 8ta sent out a techie who arrived 3 weeks late for his appointment saying he got lost. He had a laptop with a flat battery and had never heard of the idea of attaching an external aerial to a modem to improve the reception. I took back the 8ta SIM to the shop and stopped the debit order.

I'm pretty close to doing that. Service has degraded a lot.

[Speedster]

8ta not peered at JINX or CINX. probably going via London. lol.

Does this mean anything to anyone:
traceroute to www.supersport.com (196.28.84.136), 64 hops max, 52 byte packets
1 192.168.0.1 (192.168.0.1) 1.738 ms 0.867 ms 0.850 ms
2 * * *
3 172.16.1.5 (172.16.1.5) 34.932 ms 30.008 ms 39.551 ms
4 172.16.1.129 (172.16.1.129) 39.863 ms 29.275 ms 29.992 ms
5 tpr-ip-esr-6-wan.telkom-ipnet.co.za (196.25.181.169) 40.122 ms 38.753 ms 50.545 ms
6 rrba-ip-lir-1-gig-3-0-0.telkom-ipnet.co.za (196.43.11.134) 39.332 ms 29.673 ms 39.978 ms
7 196.43.25.138 (196.43.25.138) 29.956 ms 39.235 ms 42.258 ms
8 197-80-4-118.jhb.mweb.co.za (197.80.4.118) 47.554 ms 29.669 ms 40.067 ms
9 tengig0-0-0-1.vic-p-1.mweb.co.za (197.80.4.140) 39.935 ms 39.713 ms 30.291 ms
10 vl-11.vic-hscore-1.mweb.co.za (196.22.169.227) 49.834 ms 29.399 ms 40.454 ms
11 tengig-3-1.vic-core-sw1.mweb.co.za (196.22.169.66) 29.580 ms
tengig-3-2.vic-core-sw2.mweb.co.za (196.22.169.70) 39.567 ms 49.587 ms
12 94.75.28.196.netactive.net (196.28.75.94) 40.019 ms 29.114 ms 40.521 ms
13 130.84.28.196.netactive.net (196.28.84.130) 39.402 ms 39.119 ms 30.209 ms
14 * * *
(no response after this)

[b@nD]

Does this mean anything to anyone:
traceroute to www.supersport.com (196.28.84.136), 64 hops max, 52 byte packets

1 192.168.0.1 (192.168.0.1) 1.738 ms 0.867 ms 0.850 ms
2 * * *
3 172.16.1.5 (172.16.1.5) 34.932 ms 30.008 ms 39.551 ms
4 172.16.1.129 (172.16.1.129) 39.863 ms 29.275 ms 29.992 ms
5 tpr-ip-esr-6-wan.telkom-ipnet.co.za (196.25.181.169) 40.122 ms 38.753 ms 50.545 ms
6 rrba-ip-lir-1-gig-3-0-0.telkom-ipnet.co.za (196.43.11.134) 39.332 ms 29.673 ms 39.978 ms
7 196.43.25.138 (196.43.25.138) 29.956 ms 39.235 ms 42.258 ms
8 197-80-4-118.jhb.mweb.co.za (197.80.4.118) 47.554 ms 29.669 ms 40.067 ms
9 tengig0-0-0-1.vic-p-1.mweb.co.za (197.80.4.140) 39.935 ms 39.713 ms 30.291 ms
10 vl-11.vic-hscore-1.mweb.co.za (196.22.169.227) 49.834 ms 29.399 ms 40.454 ms
11 tengig-3-1.vic-core-sw1.mweb.co.za (196.22.169.66) 29.580 ms
tengig-3-2.vic-core-sw2.mweb.co.za (196.22.169.70) 39.567 ms 49.587 ms
12 94.75.28.196.netactive.net (196.28.75.94) 40.019 ms 29.114 ms 40.521 ms
13 130.84.28.196.netactive.net (196.28.84.130) 39.402 ms 39.119 ms 30.209 ms
14 * * *
(no response after this)

Let's see HHHmmmm

Type escape sequence to abort.
Tracing the route to www.8ta.com (165.143.158.47)

1 * * *
2 172.16.3.1 44 msec 88 msec 60 msec
3 172.16.3.129 60 msec 48 msec 60 msec
4 ndn-ip-hsll-1-wan.telkom-ipnet.co.za (196.25.7.73) 52 msec 48 msec 52 msec
5 nbsc-ip-er-1-pos-8-0-0.telkom-ipnet.co.za (196.43.25.146) 68 msec 72 msec 68 msec
6 telkom-sa-tienet-gw.telkom-ipnet.co.za (196.25.54.62) 60 msec 72 msec 68 msec
7 * * *
8 * * *
9 * * *
10 * * *
11 * * *
12 * * *
13 *
================

Is 1 192.168.0.1 (192.168.0.1) your USB modem stick ?

172.16.3.1 44 msec 88 msec 60 msec
172.16.3.129 60 msec 48 msec 60 msec

These will vary according to your geographic location.

However these look to me to be private IP addresses ? ( someone correct me )

IF so I have no idea what they are doing in a traceroute ?

My hop ONE is missing an entry ( should be my internal private IP on my subnet. )

This seems to be the exact same methodology followed by Bra VODA

Perhaps Bra 8ta is not as coy and shy as Bra VODA in explaining how THEIR network topology is structured ?

Maybe SA has "lent" all their PUBLIC IP's to the UK for the Olympics ??????

[Speedster]

192.168.0.1 is my 3G router.

[b@nD]

Further ........
From PC through other CISCO to TELKOM ADSL

Microsoft Windows XP [Version 5.1.2600]
(C) Copyright 1985-2001 Microsoft Corp.

C:\>tracert www.8ta.com

Tracing route to www.8ta.com [165.143.158.47]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 1 ms <1 ms <1 ms 192.168.20.1
2 9 ms 9 ms 9 ms npmb-ip-bb-1.ipnet.wa.co.za [41.185.170.1]
3 36 ms 34 ms 35 ms 196.220.59.222
4 35 ms 35 ms 34 ms wnls-cr2-vl-801.wa.co.za [41.185.0.66]
5 36 ms 35 ms 35 ms wnls-cr1-vl-10.wa.co.za [41.185.0.42]
6 36 ms 55 ms 59 ms wbs-ip-hsll-1-vl-102.telkom-ipnet.co.za [196.220.59.230]
7 58 ms 57 ms 79 ms nbsc-ip-er-1-pos-8-0-0.telkom-ipnet.co.za [196.43.25.146]
8 * * * Request timed out.
9 * * * Request timed out.
10 telkom-sa-tienet-gw.telkom-ipnet.co.za [196.25.54.62] reports: Destination net unreachable

Trace complete.

SOMETHING is NOT right in the state of SA cyber space ??????

Please notice hop 1

1 1 ms <1 ms <1 ms 192.168.20.1


Back to 8ta cellular

Most fascinating -- to get to a .co.za one goes via LONDON ???

--------------
Type escape sequence to abort.
Tracing the route to saix.net (196.25.1.200)

1 * * *
2 172.16.3.1 232 msec 248 msec 292 msec
3 172.16.3.129 260 msec 220 msec 268 msec
4 ndn-ip-hsll-1-wan.telkom-ipnet.co.za (196.25.7.73) 240 msec 220 msec 152 msec
5 wblv-ip-essr-1-atm-2-0-0-2.telkom-ipnet.co.za (196.43.11.30) 260 msec 220 msec 200 msec
6 * !A *


Fangorn#traceroute www.8ta.co.za

Translating "www.8ta.co.za"...domain server (196.207.35.29) [OK]

Type escape sequence to abort.
Tracing the route to www.8ta.co.za (80.249.102.46)

1 * * *
2 172.16.3.1 164 msec 160 msec 168 msec
3 172.16.3.129 152 msec 228 msec 160 msec
4 ndn-ip-hsll-1-wan.telkom-ipnet.co.za (196.25.7.73) 228 msec 168 msec 192 msec
5 lon-ip-dir-telecity-pos-1-1-1.telkom-ipnet.co.za (196.43.9.138) 436 msec 388 msec 424 msec
6 1329.xe-2-2-1.mpr2.lhr3.uk.above.net (213.161.92.181) 376 msec 372 msec 380 msec
7 ge-4-2-0.mpr1.lhr3.uk.above.net (64.125.27.157) 380 msec 408 msec 360 msec
8 above-gw2.thdo.ncuk.net (213.152.254.53) 532 msec 520 msec 628 msec
9 gi0-24-10-star1.core-rs2.thdo.ncuk.net (80.249.97.9) 572 msec 528 msec 572 msec
10 * * *
11 * * *
12 * * *
13 * * *
14 * * *
15


Fangorn#traceroute www.8ta.com

Translating "www.8ta.com"...domain server (196.207.35.29) [OK]

Type escape sequence to abort.
Tracing the route to www.8ta.com (165.143.158.47)

1 * * *
2 172.16.3.1 156 msec 160 msec 160 msec
3 172.16.3.129 228 msec 200 msec 200 msec
4 ndn-ip-hsll-1-wan.telkom-ipnet.co.za (196.25.7.73) 180 msec 212 msec 216 msec
5 nbsc-ip-er-1-pos-8-0-0.telkom-ipnet.co.za (196.43.25.146) 212 msec 180 msec 228 msec
6 telkom-sa-tienet-gw.telkom-ipnet.co.za (196.25.54.62) 220 msec 280 msec 200 msec
7 * * *
8 * * *
9 * * *
10 *
==============

Anything to say Bra 8ta and Bra VODA ??????

[Void_Kun]

Question: Why are you using 8ta when we have all this lovely ADSL going around? Personally I had to use Iburst for over a year and they werent bad but man I missed my uncapped.

[Speedster]

Question: Why are you using 8ta when we have all this lovely ADSL going around? Personally I had to use Iburst for over a year and they werent bad but man I missed my uncapped.

The R200pm got me.

[GRES]

Just yesterday made download of service pack for office 2010. ~400M
Rock stable speed 9Mbbs. Houghton / Killarney
One more time - if you got plenty of bucks - take 10M ADSL for a x000 R/pM
Want to save money - take 8ta and be creative!
3G Stick position, external antenna e.t.c will work.

[chrisc4290]

My closest 8ta tower is 2.2km away. Even with 14db aerial the signal is crap