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Thread: Super-Rich 'Hiding' At Least $21 Trillion

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    A global super-rich elite had at least $21 trillion (£13tn) hidden in secret tax havens by the end of 2010, according to a major study.

    The figure is equivalent to the size of the US and Japanese economies combined. The Price of Offshore Revisited was written by James Henry, a former chief economist at the consultancy McKinsey, for by the Tax Justice Network.

    Tax expert and UK government adviser John Whiting said he was sceptical that the amount hidden was so large. Mr Whiting, director of the Office of Tax Simplification, said: "There clearly are some significant amounts hidden away, but if it really is that size what is being done with it all?" Mr Henry said his $21tn is actually a conservative figure and the true scale could be $32tn. A trillion is 1,000 billion. Mr Henry used data from the Bank of International Settlements, International Monetary Fund, World Bank, and national governments. His study deals only with financial wealth deposited in bank and investment accounts, and not other assets such as property and yachts. The report comes amid growing public and political concern about tax avoidance and evasion. Some authorities, including in Germany, have even paid for information on alleged tax evaders stolen from banks.

    The group that commissioned the report, Tax Justice Network, campaigns against tax havens. Mr Henry said that the super-rich move money around the globe through an "industrious bevy of professional enablers in private banking, legal, accounting and investment industries. "The lost tax revenues implied by our estimates is huge. It is large enough to make a significant difference to the finances of many countries. "From another angle, this study is really good news. The world has just located a huge pile of financial wealth that might be called upon to contribute to the solution of our most pressing global problems," he said.

    The report highlights the impact on the balance sheets of 139 developing countries of money held in tax havens that is put beyond the reach of local tax authorities. Mr Henry estimates that since the 1970s, the richest citizens of these 139 countries had amassed $7.3tn to $9.3tn of "unrecorded offshore wealth" by 2010. Private wealth held offshore represents "a huge black hole in the world economy," Mr Henry said. Mr Whiting, though, urged caution. "I cannot disprove the figures at all, but they do seem staggering. If the suggestion is that such amounts are actively hidden and never accessed, that seems odd - not least in terms of what the tax authorities are doing. In fact, the US, UK and German authorities are doing a lot." He also pointed out that if tax havens were stuffed with such sizeable amounts, "you would expect the havens to be more conspicuously wealthy than they are".


    Other findings in Mr Henry's report include:

    At the end of 2010, the 50 leading private banks alone collectively managed more than $12.1tn in cross-border invested assets for private clients
    The three private banks handling the most assets offshore are UBS, Credit Suisse and Goldman Sachs
    Less than 100,000 people worldwide own about $9.8tn of the wealth held offshore.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-18944097

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    I confess, my share is in Capitec Bank

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    Fscking hippy-garbage again. The moment they can nail them with tax evasion, then we can talk...

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    While I can't really see an issue with the figure, its actually probably ALOT larger than they really think.

    Its perfectly legal in my opinion... Why would someone pay tax if they don't actually HAVE to?
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    seems like the poor have more morals than the rich

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    Quote Originally Posted by snoopdoggydog View Post
    seems like the poor have more morals than the rich
    How so? Because they pay tax by default because they're for the most part, ignorant of laws allowing them to minimise their tax exposure? Does investing in an optional RA make a person less moral, seeing as this is your argument?

    What is immoral about legally moving your money to minimise tax exposure? And please point out where the tax laws specifically prohibit the poor from adopting the same techniques?

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    Given

    1. Who paid for the report;
    2. Who wrote the report, i.e. ex-McKinsey; and
    3. The fact that tax avoidance is not illegal ...

    I'm amazed that it's only $21 trillion ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by DJ... View Post
    How so? Because they pay tax by default because they're for the most part, ignorant of laws allowing them to minimise their tax exposure? Does investing in an optional RA make a person less moral, seeing as this is your argument?

    What is immoral about legally moving your money to minimise tax exposure? And please point out where the tax laws specifically prohibit the poor from adopting the same techniques?
    If the ignorant poor people knew even half of the tax evasion tactics available to them governments would have to increase taxes on the rich. Still can't believe how Warren Buffets secretary pays more tax than him?

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    The most immoral thing is governments taxing the schite out of their constituents. Fsck 'em!
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    Quote Originally Posted by snoopdoggydog View Post
    If the ignorant poor people knew even half of the tax evasion tactics available to them governments would have to increase taxes on the rich. Still can't believe how Warren Buffets secretary pays more tax than him?
    Evidently you don't know the difference between tax evasion and tax avoidance...

    Stop using the terms interchangeably - they are completely different things...

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    Quote Originally Posted by snoopdoggydog View Post
    Still can't believe how Warren Buffets secretary pays more tax than him?
    She pays a higher tax rate, not more tax. Big difference.

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    seems like the poor have more morals than the rich
    Given the option, they'd do exactly the same.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DJ... View Post
    Evidently you don't know the difference between tax evasion and tax avoidance...

    Stop using the terms interchangeably - they are completely different things...
    now this begs the question, does it matter how you call it? Because both simply in the end you are not paying. That's it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jikajoe1 View Post
    now this begs the question, does it matter how you call it? Because both simply in the end you are not paying. That's it!
    Of course it does. Otherwise we standardise taxation across all income groups and eliminate all tax incentives. Otherwise your argument is moot...

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    Quote Originally Posted by DJ... View Post
    Evidently you don't know the difference between tax evasion and tax avoidance...

    Stop using the terms interchangeably - they are completely different things...
    Rich people are going to need all the money they have when they face God

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    Quote Originally Posted by snoopdoggydog View Post
    Rich people are going to need all the money they have when they face God
    lol.
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