War vs religion

[Devill]

Possibly. Too wired on no sleep to think much about this...

Haha, enjoying the "local" scene too much?

[Haldex]

People don't bomb abortion clinics for power or money.

Huh?

[Nerfherder]

Wars are fought for money and power.

Religious guilt in war is used as propaganda.

The people who start the wars do it for money and power, the people who participated in the war did so because they believed in the reason for the war.

No soldier fights for money and power. Do you think the guys who ran the death camps thought they were doing it for money and power ?

[Nerfherder]

Huh?

Well they don't.

What is your question, you look confused.

[porchrat]

Huh?

This thread isn't just about wars it is about violence in general. Read the OP.

I'm just saying that people don't bomb abortion clinics for money or power.

[nogard]

This thread isn't just about wars it is about violence in general. Read the OP.

This thread is about:

Do you think that had there been no religion on earth, that there would have been less violence?

The most replies so far avoids answering this and just tend to go towards "Yes, religion causes ***."

[copacetic]

The most replies so far avoids answering this and just tend to go towards "Yes, religion causes ***."

I don't think the answers are avoiding this, most people just realize this is not a black and white issue, and if you read a bit deeper into most of the responses, I'm sure you will be able to extrapolate people's general feeling on the matter without too much undue effort.

[porchrat]

This thread is about:

Exactly my point. It isn't just about war but violence in general.

The most replies so far avoids answering this and just tend to go towards "Yes, religion causes ***."

I imagine there would be far fewer (if not none) abortions clinic bombings. I think those count as violence.

EDIT: I don't see a large amount of posts avoiding answering it at all. :confused;

[Barilak]

I imagine there would be far fewer (if not none) abortions clinic bombings. I think those count as violence.

I can't say for certain that there would be no more abortion clinic bombings without religion. There are a lot of people who strongly disagree with abortion. These people use religion to justify their actions, but who's to say they wouldn't find some other sort of justification in the absence of religion?

[porchrat]

I can't say for certain that there would be no more abortion clinic bombings without religion. There are a lot of people who strongly disagree with abortion. These people use religion to justify their actions, but who's to say they wouldn't find some other sort of justification in the absence of religion?

What justification?

Without the belief that life begins at conception with some vague notions about the soul and whatnot tossed in how do you form a coherent argument against it? While I'm not saying they don't exist I have never encountered an organisation against abortion that isn't at its base religious in some way.

[Haldex]

The people who start the wars do it for money and power, the people who participated in the war did so because they believed in the reason for the war.

No soldier fights for money and power. Do you think the guys who ran the death camps thought they were doing it for money and power ?

If nobody started the war there wouldn't be a war.

Religious guilt used as propaganda to round up the troops.

I don't think religion us the instigator in any war, more wars have been fought over woman than religion.

[Nerfherder]

I can't say for certain that there would be no more abortion clinic bombings without religion. There are a lot of people who strongly disagree with abortion. These people use religion to justify their actions, but who's to say they wouldn't find some other sort of justification in the absence of religion?

They are also mobilized under the banner of religion though. Individuals hardly ever act out alone. They are spurred on by mindless groupthink

[porchrat]

If nobody started the war there wouldn't be a war.

Religious guilt used as propaganda to round up the troops.

I don't think religion us the instigator in any war, more wars have been fought over woman than religion.

Again, this isn't just about war it is about violence in general. Nobody ever bombed an abortion clinic for power or money. They instigated it, they thought they had religion on their side and they killed a whole bunch of people in a mindless act of violence. What a bunch of loons. Loons fuelled by religion.

[Barilak]

What justification?

Without the belief that life begins at conception with some vague notions about the soul and whatnot tossed in how do you form a coherent argument against it? While I'm not saying they don't exist I have never encountered an organisation against abortion that isn't at its base religious in some way.

They could argue about the emotional and physical well-being of the mother. They could invent any number of pseudo-scientific reasons.

All you really need is a few nut jobs with an innate dislike of abortion, an affinity for causing destruction, and a desire to have their fifteen minutes of fame. Bam, you've got an abortion clinic bombing. Afterwards, they won't be able to use religion to justify their actions. They will simply say that they find abortion reprehensible and maybe justify that with some sort of ignorant pseudo-scientific reason. They will have less support from the community at large (who are not religious and generally more knowledgeable about the abortion process) but that does not change the fact that an abortion clinic has been blown up.

Edit: I would just like to clarify that I do believe there would be fewer abortion clinic bombings without religion. But I can't say for certain that they wouldn't occur at all.

[SaiyanZ]

I believe there would've been less wars without religion. It gave people another reason to go to war in addition to the many other reasons. Some wars could have been averted without religion since there wouldn't have been enough in common with groups of people to go to war.