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    Quote Originally Posted by unskinnybob View Post
    Might I suggest a quick google of racial superiority and a separate google of equality. There is a fundamental difference.
    Might I suggest that you stop pretending like you've forgotten how to add one and one together just to slow the conversation to a crawl?

    Where superiority/inferiority are missing, inequality must be false, and equality must be true. So yes, when talking about the absence of superiority one is most certainly talking about equality. Painfully simple.


    Back on topic.. Marx and Engels.. They seemed to believe fully in race and hierarchy.

    http://www.orgonelab.org/MarxEngelsQuotes.htm

    "We discovered that in connection with these figures the German national simpletons and money-grubbers of the Frankfurt parliamentary swamp always counted as Germans the Polish Jews as well, although this dirtiest of all races, neither by its jargon nor by its descent, but at most only through its lust for profit, could have any relation of kinship with Frankfurt."
    "Society is undergoing a silent revolution, which must be submitted to, and which takes no more notice of the human existences it breaks down than an earthquake regards the houses it subverts. The classes and the races, too weak to master the new conditions of life, must give way."
    "...the Jewish ******, Lassalle... it is now completely clear to me that he, as is proved by his cranial formation and his hair, descends from the Negroes from Egypt, assuming that his mother or grandmother had not interbred with a ******. Now this union of Judaism and Germanism with a basic Negro substance must produce a peculiar product. The obtrusiveness of the fellow is also ******-like."
    "The most interesting acquaintanceship I have struck up here is that of Colonel Lapinski. He is without doubt the cleverest Pole -- besides being an homme d'action [man of action] -- that I have ever met. His sympathies are all on the German side, though in manners and speech he is also a Frenchman. He cares nothing for the struggle of nationalities and only knows the racial struggle. He hates all Orientals, among whom he numbers Russians Turks, Greeks, Armenians, etc., with equal impartiality.... His aim now is to raise a German legion in London..."
    "Russia is a name usurped by the Muscovites. They are not Slavs; they do not belong to the Indo-Germanic race at all, they are des intrus [intruders], who must be chased back across the Dnieper, etc."
    "Being in his quality as a ******, a degree nearer to the rest of the animal kingdom than the rest of us, he is undoubtedly the most appropriate representative of that district.
    - Letter from Friedrich Engels to Karl Marx's daughter, Laura, speaking about her husband Paul Lafargue, April 1887, who ran for public office in a district holding the Paris Zoo. Engels felt license to write such filth to Laura (Marx) Lafargue, because Karl Marx himself had violently opposed her marriage to "a ******". Marx referenced Lafargue as "the little negro" or "the gorilla". Jenny Marx, the mother, wrote to Engels that she hoped her daughter would not have "ten little ****** boys".
    There are many other quotes from Engels expressing contempt and arrogant moral superiority towards other groups, such as the Slavs, the natives of India and China ("heredity stupidity"), Irish ("little above the savage...favoring drunkenness... a people related in their whole character to the Latin nations, to the French, and especially to the Italians"), Scandinavians ("rudeness... perpetual drunkenness"), Balkan peoples ("This miserable debris of former nations, Serbs, Bulgarians, Greeks and other thieving rabble, whom the liberal Philistine raves about in the interest of the Russians, deny each other the very air they are breathing, and have to slit each others' greedy throats."), Turks ("This splendid territory has the misfortune to be inhabited by a conglomerate of different races and nationalities, of which it is hard to say which is the least fit for progress and civilization." ) etc.
    See the entries for April 2005 at http://marxwords.blogspot.com

    Che believed in it too.

    “The Negro is indolent and lazy, and spends his money on frivolities, whereas the European is forward-looking, organized and intelligent.”- Che Guevara
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheHiveMind View Post
    Where superiority/inferiority are missing, inequality must be false, and equality must be true. So yes, when talking about the absence of superiority one is most certainly talking about equality. Painfully simple.
    Was that you trying to do philosophy? Very entertaining.

    You either believe in the superiority of one race over another or you don't. Call it a hierarchy if you want. Believing one race should lead and another should follow means you subscribe to the superiority of one race over another.

    You've quoted excellent examples of racial stereotypes. The corner stone of racial superiority arguments. All examples of narrow minded individuals who made wild generalizations based on their limited experience.

    To put equality into perspective, since you keep hammering on the word. Racial equality is one mere facet of equality. Your hierarchy nonsense dictates races aren't equal and therefor "lesser races" need to be led by "superior races".

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    Quote Originally Posted by unskinnybob View Post
    Was that you trying to do philosophy? Very entertaining.

    You either believe in the superiority of one race over another or you don't. Call it a hierarchy if you want. Believing one race should lead and another should follow means you subscribe to the superiority of one race over another.

    You've quoted excellent examples of racial stereotypes. The corner stone of racial superiority arguments. All examples of narrow minded individuals who made wild generalizations based on their limited experience.

    To put equality into perspective, since you keep hammering on the word. Racial equality is one mere facet of equality. Your hierarchy nonsense dictates races aren't equal and therefor "lesser races" need to be led by "superior races".
    Oh, it's not just races, people can be categorized however you like, there is always hierarchy because equality is not a *real* thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheHiveMind View Post
    Oh, it's not just races, people can be categorized however you like, there is always hierarchy because equality is not a *real* thing.
    Which is my point exactly. We're talking about race superiority - a mindset that says one race is superior to the other. Stop trying to confuse the point with equality. The two are mutually exclusive. You can have a poor blue man and a rich red man. Buying power among other things dictate they are not equal. However, in the fine examples you've provided, some would still argue that the poor blue man is superior to the rich red man purely because he belongs to the blue race.

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    Quote Originally Posted by unskinnybob View Post
    Which is my point exactly. We're talking about race superiority - a mindset that says one race is superior to the other. Stop trying to confuse the point with equality. The two are mutually exclusive. You can have a poor blue man and a rich red man. Buying power among other things dictate they are not equal. However, in the fine examples you've provided, some would still argue that the poor blue man is superior to the rich red man purely because he belongs to the blue race.
    That's very absolutist.

    Hitler gave the entire Japanese nation and select jews aryan status.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheHiveMind View Post
    That's very absolutist.

    Hitler gave the entire Japanese nation and select jews aryan status.
    I'm talking about individual mindset, ie. you believe your own race to be superior to another. Hitler was a fkin loon - so he hardly serves as an example.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Unhappy438 View Post
    Nah this is wrong, someone can have an issue with mixed race couples and not be a racist. You can still treat a mixed race couple with respect even if you have an issue with it. Just the same way not wanting to perform sexual acts with other men doesn't mean you are now homophobic. Its all about the way you handle these feelings and your behavior towards others.
    No you are wrong. If you have an issue with mixed race couples then you are racist. Your "respect" isn't respect. It's hypocrisy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zippy View Post
    No you are wrong. If you have an issue with mixed race couples then you are racist. Your "respect" isn't respect. It's hypocrisy.
    Just because you don't agree with someones actions doesn't mean you cant still respect them. If i don't agree with eating meat, are you suggesting i cant respect people who do eat meat without being a hypocrite?

    One can say "i have a problem eating meat or mixed couples but its cool if someone gets involved in either or". I see no problem with this, its when one starts to believe their opinion to be superior to others then it becomes an issue.

    I would just like to point out i dont have anything against mixed race couples.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Unhappy438 View Post
    Just because you don't agree with someones actions doesn't mean you cant still respect them. If i don't agree with eating meat, are you suggesting i cant respect people who do eat meat without being a hypocrite?

    One can say "i have a problem eating meat or mixed couples but its cool if someone gets involved in either or". I see no problem with this, its when one starts to believe their opinion to be superior to others then it becomes an issue.

    I would just like to point out i dont have anything against mixed race couples.
    You would have to ask yourself why you have a problem with mixed race couples.
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    Quote Originally Posted by porchrat View Post
    You would have to ask yourself why you have a problem with mixed race couples.
    Certainly the thing is though us South Africans are so sensitive with this sort of thing (both blacks and whites). They hear something regarding race and they immediately jump onto the racism boat, they think they are entitled to do so because of our past. Its the wrong approach and counter productive. So many times i have read comments in current affairs where people just scream racism before even evaluating the "why's".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Unhappy438 View Post
    Certainly the thing is though us South Africans are so sensitive with this sort of thing (both blacks and whites). They hear something regarding race and they immediately jump onto the racism boat, they think they are entitled to do so because of our past. Its the wrong approach and counter productive. So many times i have read comments in current affairs where people just scream racism before even evaluating the "why's".

    I agree, but we have been asking what exactly people's issues are with mixed-race couples and all we have is silence. So, please, not being funny or anything here, I genuinely want to know.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Naks View Post
    I agree, but we have been asking what exactly people's issues are with mixed-race couples and all we have is silence. So, please, not being funny or anything here, I genuinely want to know.
    Ok well me for me personal im just not attracted to females of another race however i have absolutely no problems with other mixed race couples. So i suppose i cant really help out much with regard to the possible issues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Unhappy438 View Post
    Certainly the thing is though us South Africans are so sensitive with this sort of thing (both blacks and whites). They hear something regarding race and they immediately jump onto the racism boat, they think they are entitled to do so because of our past. Its the wrong approach and counter productive. So many times i have read comments in current affairs where people just scream racism before even evaluating the "why's".
    I'm actually pleased when I see a mixed race couple. I don't think I've ever experienced jumping into the racism boat when seeing them. I feel the same way when I see a gay couple.

    In fact it fills me with a sense of appreciation and pride knowing that I live in a society in which people are able to walk around in public like that without being accosted. (yes I know in some areas of our society those individuals would be accosted and that is something that makes me rather sad).


    I can't think of a reason why someone would have a problem with mixed race couples that doesn't ultimately boil down to having a problem with 1 or more races. That is racism as far as I can see. I don't see how someone can justify having a problem with mixed race couples without coming across as a racist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by porchrat View Post
    I don't see how someone can justify having a problem with mixed race couples without coming across as a racist.
    Ok , what about religion? Example : Staunch Religious family of say Indian or Jewish heritage expect their children to marry someone with the same religious beliefs. If their child choose someone of mixed race which more than often will be someone of a different religion, the family could now have a problem with this mixed race couple because of religion.

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