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Thread: Valve’s Gabe Newell "I think Windows 8 is a catastrophe for everyone in the PC space"

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    Default Valve’s Gabe Newell "I think Windows 8 is a catastrophe for everyone in the PC space"

    Oops he just said that?

    Gabe Newell, the co-founder and managing director of Valve, the videogame development and online distribution company, made a rare appearance last night at Casual Connect, an annual videogame conference in Seattle.

    Newell, who spent 13 years at Microsoft working on Windows, is not well-known outside of the videogame industry, but the company he has built in Bellevue, Wash., cannot be overlooked.

    Valve is not only a game developer, producing megahits like Portal 2, it owns and operates Steam, which is the largest consumer-focused digital games distribution platform in the industry. By some measures, it may be valued at $3 billion.

    Last night, at a dinner sponsored by Covert & Co., Google Ventures and Perkins Coie, Newell unveiled some of his most quirky and secretive projects in an interview onstage with Ed Fries, former VP of game publishing at Microsoft.

    Newell, who has a desk on wheels so he can quickly roll over to his favorite projects within the company, struggled at times to put into words how he sees the industry shaking out as companies like Microsoft and Apple move toward closed ecosystems. At one point, he even lamented that his presentation skills aren’t up to speed because Valve isn’t a public company.

    Here are excerpts from the conversation that took place in a packed and noisy room with an under-powered speaker system:

    On the future of videogame distribution

    “Everything we are doing is not going to matter in the future. … We think about knitting together a platform for productivity, which sounds kind of weird, but what we are interested in is bringing together a platform where people’s actions create value for other people when they play. That’s the reason we hired an economist.

    “We think the future is very different [from] successes we’ve had in the past. When you are playing a game, you are trying to think about creating value for other players, so the line between content player and creator is really fuzzy. We have a kid in Kansas making $150,000 a year making [virtual] hats. But that’s just a starting point.

    “That causes us to have conversations with Adobe, and we say the next version of Photoshop should look like a free-to-play game, and they say, ‘We have absolutely no idea what you are talking about, but it sounds really bad.’ And, then we say, ‘No, no, no. We think you are going to increase the value being created to your users, and you will create a market for their goods on a worldwide basis.’ But that takes a longer sell.

    “This isn’t about videogames; it’s about thinking about goods and services in a digital world.”

    On closed versus open platforms

    “In order for innovation to happen, a bunch of things that aren’t happening on closed platforms need to occur. Valve wouldn’t exist today without the PC, or Epic, or Zynga, or Google. They all wouldn’t have existed without the openness of the platform. There’s a strong tempation to close the platform, because they look at what they can accomplish when they limit the competitors’ access to the platform, and they say ‘That’s really exciting.’”

    “We are looking at the platform and saying, ‘We’ve been a free rider, and we’ve been able to benefit from everything that went into PCs and the Internet, and we have to continue to figure out how there will be open platforms.’”

    On Valve’s interest in Linux

    “The big problem that is holding back Linux is games. People don’t realize how critical games are in driving consumer purchasing behavior.

    “We want to make it as easy as possible for the 2,500 games on Steam to run on Linux as well. It’s a hedging strategy. I think Windows 8 is a catastrophe for everyone in the PC space. I think we’ll lose some of the top-tier PC/OEMs, who will exit the market. I think margins will be destroyed for a bunch of people. If that’s true, then it will be good to have alternatives to hedge against that eventuality.


    On the evolution of touch

    “We think touch is short-term. The mouse and keyboard were stable for 25 years, but I think touch will be stable for 10 years. Post-touch will be stable for a really long time, longer than 25 years.

    “Post touch, depending on how sci-fi you want to get, is a couple of different technologies combined together. The two problems are input and output. I haven’t had to do any presentations on this because I’m not a public company, so I don’t have any pretty slides.

    “There’s some crazy speculative stuff. This is super nerdy, and you can tease us years from now, but as it turns out, your tongue is one of the best mechanical systems to your brain, but it’s disconcerting to have the person sitting next you go blah, blah, blah, blah.

    “I don’t think tongue input will happen, but I do think we will have bands on our wrists, and you’ll be doing something with your hands, which are really expressive.”

    On wearable computers

    “I can go into the room and put on the $70,000 system we’ve built, and I look around the room with the software they’ve written, and they can overlay information on objects regardless of what my head or eyes are doing. Your eyes are troublesome buggers.”

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    Put your money where your mouth is Gabe. Steam for linux NOW!!!

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    Holy cow, Gabe has become HUGE!! His eye sight will become poor, cos he must sit so far back from his desk.

    I just want Half-Life 3, don't care what else he said.
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    Hypocrite. Talking about open platforms as a great thing when steam as an API is completely closed to third party clients. Yeah right GabeN. Go jump in your pool of cash.

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    He is right about Windows 8 though. It is gonna crash and burn at a critical time in the market. It might make it onto a few tablets PCs, but as a desktop OS it is a dud. And the desktop PC is far from finished. Bring on Windows 9.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Garson007 View Post
    Go jump in your pool of cash.
    Don't say that!! He must first hand over my copy of HL3, before he goes jumping in his pool of cash.

    Mind you, the dude is now so fat, he will have to roll into it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Garyvdh View Post
    He is right about Windows 8 though. It is gonna crash and burn at a critical time in the market. It might make it onto a few tablets PCs, but as a desktop OS it is a dud. And the desktop PC is far from finished. Bring on Windows 9.
    I expect Windows 8 to be a good seller, simply because of the price.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kingrob View Post
    I expect Windows 8 to be a good seller, simply because of the price.
    I can sell you some of my Turds for a hundred bucks if you want!

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    Quote Originally Posted by dualmeister View Post
    Oops he just said that?



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    Please point me to opensource steam/valve. Their application is open right ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Garyvdh View Post
    I can sell you some of my Turds for a hundred bucks if you want!
    Will be a good tablet choice for a family, as IE (as much as well all hate it!) has Parental Controls and it will most likely have System Restore, but I'm more thinking corporate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by unskinnybob View Post
    Put your money where your mouth is Gabe. Steam for linux NOW!!!
    This is the best you'll get for now: http://blogs.valvesoftware.com/linux/

    L4D2 is already running natively on Ubuntu.
    Last edited by burn; 26-07-2012 at 07:48 PM. Reason: added url

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    Quote Originally Posted by kingrob View Post
    Holy cow, Gabe has become HUGE!! His eye sight will become poor, cos he must sit so far back from his desk.

    I just want Half-Life 3, don't care what else he said.
    FFS man, don't you know that everytime someone makes fun of how fat Gabe is HL3 gets delayed for another week!?



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    Quote Originally Posted by unskinnybob View Post
    Put your money where your mouth is Gabe. Steam for linux NOW!!!
    Oh it's happening alright...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Knyro View Post
    FFS man, don't you know that everytime someone makes fun of how fat Gabe is HL3 gets delayed for another week!?

    (Seriously, look it up, it's quite a big meme )
    Ok, so I shoud rather say it like in Pulp Fiction....the brother has a weight problem.
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    Default Valve claims Left 4 Dead 2 runs faster on Linux than Windows

    Quote Originally Posted by burn View Post
    This is the best you'll get for now: http://blogs.valvesoftware.com/linux/

    L4D2 is already running natively on Ubuntu.
    I can just see all the Linux fanboys enjoying this one already

    GAMES DEVELOPER Valve has managed to get its Linux port of Left 4 Dead 2 to run faster on Ubuntu 12.04 than the game runs on Windows 7.

    Valve announced its plans to port its Steam content delivery service and Left 4 Dead 2 to Linux just last month. The firm has already made astonishing progress, announcing that with various performance tweaks it has managed to get the Linux version of Left 4 Dead 2 using OpenGL to run significantly faster than the Direct3D Windows 7 version.

    According to Valve's internal benchmarks, the initial port of Left 4 Dead 2 to Linux resulted in a not so playable six frames per second. However after optimisations to make the game work better with the Linux kernel and the OpenGL renderer and optimisations to the display driver the firm clocked 315 frames per second.

    Not only are Valve's improvements mighty impressive, the most surprising aspect is that using the same hardware the firm clocked the heavily optimised Windows version of Left 4 Dead 2 at 270.6 frames per second. However the company said it applied some of optimisations of the OpenGL implementation of Left 4 Dead 2 to the Windows version, which resulted in the game running at 303.4 frames per second. That's faster, but it's still not as fast as it runs on Linux.

    Valve didn't say when it will launch the Linux port of Left 4 Dead 2, but the news that games can run just as fast if not faster on Linux than their Windows counterparts shows that there is nothing inherently wrong with gaming on Linux except the lack of titles. µ


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