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Thread: Higgs boson results from LHC 'get even stronger'

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    Default Higgs boson results from LHC 'get even stronger'

    The Higgs boson-like particle whose discovery was announced on 4 July looks significantly more certain to exist.

    The particle has been the subject of a decades-long hunt as the last missing piece of physics' Standard Model, explaining why matter has mass.

    Now one Higgs-hunting team at the Large Hadron Collider report a "5.9 sigma" levels of certainty it exists.

    That equates to a one-in-550 million chance that the Higgs does not exist and the results are statistical flukes.

    The formal threshold for claiming the discovery of a particle is a 5-sigma level - equivalent to a one-in-3.5 million chance.

    That is the level that was claimed by the team behind Atlas, one of the LHC's Higgs-hunting experiments, during the 4 July announcement. The other, known as CMS, claimed results between 4.9 and 5 sigma.

    The range reported by CMS at the time reflects the fact that there are a number of ways to look for the Higgs boson, none of which can observe it directly.

    Accelerators like the LHC smash together particles at extraordinary energies in a bid to create a Higgs, which should exist only for a fleeting fraction of a second before decaying into other particles or flashes of light that can be caught and counted.

    Now the Atlas team has submitted fuller analyses of these "decay channels", including one in which the Higgs ends up as two lighter particles known as W bosons.

    As they report online in a paper submitted to Physics Letters B, their data now reach a significance of 5.9 sigma.

    The CMS team reiterated its 5-sigma certainty in a paper submitted to the same journal, after incorporating more data from collisions at the heightened particle energies at which the LHC is running this year.

    The findings only shore up a result that, as far as physicists were concerned, had already passed muster for declaring the existence of a new particle.

    However, many questions remain as to whether the particle is indeed the long-sought Higgs boson; the announcement was carefully phrased to describe a "Higgs-like" particle.

    More analyses will be needed to ensure it fits neatly into the Standard Model - the most complete theory we have for particles and forces - as it currently exists.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-19076355

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    That equates to a one-in-550 million chance that the Higgs does not exist and the results are statistical flukes.
    Those are some odds. I wonder how long it takes a physicist to confirm a child as theirs
    That which comes into existence will eventually break apart and pass away

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    Quote Originally Posted by Geriatrix View Post
    Those are some odds. I wonder how long it takes a physicist to confirm a child as theirs
    Must be a 5-sigma certainty

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    "Unseen, in the background, Fate was quietly slipping the lead into the boxing-glove..."

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    Quite interesting, thanks.

    Where can I read more about this?
    Why do people get attacked by sharks? I mean, how do you not hear the background music?
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    Quote Originally Posted by PythonFSi View Post
    Quite interesting, thanks.

    Where can I read more about this?
    About the Higgs in general or more on these latest results?

    Here is a nice little Q&A http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-16116236

    This here is the Higgs paper http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/co...er+Magazine%29

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    "Let me know when they're 100% certain"

    My Christian fundamentalist mother.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Unhappy438 View Post
    About the Higgs in general or more on these latest results?

    Here is a nice little Q&A http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-16116236

    This here is the Higgs paper http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/co...er+Magazine%29
    Thanks Unhappy.

    Its certainly mind-boggling to me as physics is so foreign to me but I understand a bit more.

    One more question. How do scientist isolate a particle and how is it injected into the Large Hadron Collider?
    Why do people get attacked by sharks? I mean, how do you not hear the background music?
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    Quote Originally Posted by PythonFSi View Post
    One more question. How do scientist isolate a particle and how is it injected into the Large Hadron Collider?
    Geriatrix actually posted an informative video a while back which should answer your question

    http://vimeo.com/41038445

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barilak View Post
    "Let me know when they're 100% certain"

    My Christian fundamentalist mother.
    I suspect "they" are 100% certain, but the science community requires they convince others as well

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    Quote Originally Posted by OrbitalDawn View Post

    I liked this gem:
    In 1989, CERN invented the World Wide Web to transmit important information between smart people, and the world has been using it for the exact opposite ever since.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zippy View Post
    I liked this gem:


    I liked this one:

    The idea of a "God particle" is useful when you're learning about the Higgs boson, because it tells you to stop learning from that person.
    "Unseen, in the background, Fate was quietly slipping the lead into the boxing-glove..."

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