Which one :-POriginally Posted by rwenzori
Which one :-P
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Didn't you say atheists claim no God(s) exist? That's a misrepresentation of every atheist I've encountered on this forum. Lacking belief in something and positively asserting something are quite different.
Yes, I know there's a difference between (a)gnosticism and (a)theism, which is what I said. One has to do with knowledge, and one with belief. Answers to two different questions. That's why you're not one or the other, you're one of both.
"Unseen, in the background, Fate was quietly slipping the lead into the boxing-glove..."
Definition of an Atheist? Someone that fell for religion but missed?
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Last edited by eXisor; 07-08-2012 at 07:56 AM.
Nice nod to Douglas
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I think what I said was atheists believe God doesn't exist. Some claim that God doesn't exist but we're not talking about them. That's not misrepresenting anybody. You are free to choose if you are atheist or not.
Agnostics disagree with you like I pointed out. You are the one trying to fit everyone in your box to make your puny numbers seem bigger than they actually are. You're the one misrepresenting people then.
I want to sleep but my brain won't stop talking to itself
Christ. I can believe I still have to be doing this. It is so ****ing simple and has got nothing to do with numbers. You have all the ****ing numbers you'll ever need...
If one believes in a god or gods, one is a theist. (which is not a religion)
If one, for whatever ****ing reason under the sun do not have a positive belief in a god or gods, one is by definion, an atheist. (also not a religion)
which makes me an agnostic atheist
deal with it and move on....
I think atheists are kind of glad they don't fit into the majority that are credulous.
And yes its not about numbers but if you want to mention them, the majority of scientists and academic institutions (people that actually have a say in humanity's future) are all for the teaching of evolution.
There is something like a 3% minority of science that think ID should be taught.
Now that's puny numbers.
Japan, probably the most technologically advanced country in the world is at least 80% atheist. That only leaves more puny numbers for theists.
There is also only a handful of backward governments that are conservative and have no interest in evolution, these happen to be Muslim states that are generally fubar like Syria. These kinds of states also don't want vaccinations because they think the West is trying to give them aids and sterilise them.
Again, by definition, if you are agnostic, you lack an assertive belief in a deity, therefore, you are also atheist.
If you argue that, you are unclear of the definition of atheist and or agnostic.
Last edited by CoolBug; 07-08-2012 at 07:00 PM.
Why can't we just go with the definitions in the wiki or the dictionary?
I and the voice inside my head(vis a vis my conscience) both agree that Jehovas partenalistic rulership is better than Satans liberal anarchy.
We are.
Agnostic: A person who believes that nothing is known or can be known of the existence or nature of God or of anything beyond material phenomena
Atheism: Atheism is, in a broad sense, the rejection of belief in the existence of deities. In a narrower sense, atheism is specifically the position that there are no deities. Most inclusively, atheism is simply the absence of belief that any deities exist.
Do you now see that an agnostic is also an atheist?
Last edited by CoolBug; 07-08-2012 at 06:55 PM.
Like I said, no one has disagreed with me except you. The agnostics (I'm one aswell) haven't either. What is it that you are struggling with? Do you not understand the difference between belief and knowledge, or what?
"Unseen, in the background, Fate was quietly slipping the lead into the boxing-glove..."
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