Cold Hard Truth: You Were an Atheist

[nogard]

A good personal relationship with the right God , Jehova of armies the creator of the universe.

Ah, key words. It all lies in the little key words.
So it is NOT all abrahamic religions, only those which follow, sorry have a good relationship, with *your* god.
So you lied again.
First that nobody has seen god, now this. It seems that the rumour that jw may lie to convert people are true. Shame on you.

We are infact expected to spend hours with those outside of our denomination preaching the good news of the kingdom found in the scripture.

hours? So that is why your answers are so vague. Gives you extra time while people try to sift through your bull.

Anyway, I will not give you any more preaching time, so expect no more replies from me.

PS. You are wrong and god does not want to talk to you, while he talks to me.

[DrYes]

A baby has no concept of many things like, walking,talking and muscle control but will learn it over time with or without the intervention of parents.
By your reasoning all Atheist parents will produce atheist children and all religious parents will produce religious children.
Ironically most if not all children grow out of believing in unicorns and fairies but not necessarily a concept of God.
Why?

[jingaling]

But you do have selective reading , read the rest of the freakn post. Good associations and all.

So how would you explain this:

Matthew 9:10-13

New International Version (NIV)

10*While Jesus was having dinner at Matthew’s house, many tax collectors and sinners came and ate with him and his disciples. 11*When the Pharisees saw this, they asked his disciples, “Why does your teacher eat with tax collectors and sinners?”

12*On hearing this, Jesus said, “It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. 13*But go and learn what this means: ‘I desire mercy, not sacrifice.’[a] For I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners.”

[buyeye]

So how would you explain this:

What I am doing now is exactly the same thing as in that scripture same as when a JW come to your door like a doctor to the sick to teach you the good news of the kingdom.

The other scripture talks about your close friends what we call our brothers and sisters in our congregation. Like being at work and being at home those are two different things , at work you associate with people you may not usually associate with where as at home you choose who is good to be around you.

[DJ...]

What I am doing now is exactly the same thing as in that scripture same as when a JW come to your door like a doctor to the sick to teach you the good news of the kingdom.

The other scripture talks about your close friends what we call our brothers and sisters in our congregation. Like being at work and being at home those are two different things , at work you associate with people you may not usually associate with where as at home you choose who is good to be around you.

You're really struggling here now because the one cannot simply be transposed on to the other. If the justification for this is that you simply interpret schit however you feel that day (which is the mental gymnastics you're pulling here, considering that is not how a reasonable person would ever interpret those pieces of scripture) then once again, what is the point? The justifications are getting rather bizarre...

[buyeye]

Ah, key words. It all lies in the little key words.
So it is NOT all abrahamic religions, only those which follow, sorry have a good relationship, with *your* god.
So you lied again.
First that nobody has seen god, now this. It seems that the rumour that jw may lie to convert people are true. Shame on you.


hours? So that is why your answers are so vague. Gives you extra time while people try to sift through your bull.

Anyway, I will not give you any more preaching time, so expect no more replies from me.

PS. You are wrong and god does not want to talk to you, while he talks to me.

I'm sorry if my answers are vague that more from my day job, the right God is the creator so I don't see how this a problem.

I'm not gonna chase that carrot anymore either you want to tell me about your encounter with the creator or you don't.

[jingaling]

What I am doing now is exactly the same thing as in that scripture same as when a JW come to your door like a doctor to the sick to teach you the good news of the kingdom.

The other scripture talks about your close friends what we call our brothers and sisters in our congregation. Like being at work and being at home those are two different things , at work you associate with people you may not usually associate with where as at home you choose who is good to be around you.

I can understand that it's a choice but where the following quote justify the actions?

Matthew 18:21-22

New International Version (NIV)
The Parable of the Unmerciful Servant

21 Then Peter came to Jesus and asked, “Lord, how many times shall I forgive my brother or sister who sins against me? Up to seven times?”

22 Jesus answered, “I tell you, not seven times, but seventy-seven times.[a]

[buyeye]

You're really struggling here now because the one cannot simply be transposed on to the other. If the justification for this is that you simply interpret schit however you feel that day (which is the mental gymnastics you're pulling here, considering that is not how a reasonable person would ever interpret those pieces of scripture) then once again, what is the point? The justifications are getting rather bizarre...

It's really not that hard I made a simile which we can all understand work vs home(leisure time).

At work like what scripture says a doctor must go to the sick in this case the those with little knowlegde and understanding of scripture and teach them scripture so in this case a JW comes into contact with as the scripture puts it sinners and tax collectors.

Now in the home enviroment you now can choose who is good to have around your children this person you call a close friend or a brother , it is common sense not to have sinners around your children in your home as they will teach them bad habits. This is what the other scripture in 1 timothy says.

[DJ...]

It's really not that hard I made a simile which we can all understand work vs home(leisure time).

At work like what scripture says a doctor must go to the sick in this case the those with little knowlegde and understanding of scripture and teach them scripture so in this case a JW comes into contact with as the scripture puts it sinners and tax collectors.

Now in the home enviroment you now can choose who is good to have around your children this person you call a close friend or a brother , it is common sense not to have sinners around your children in your home as they will teach them bad habits. This is what the other scripture in 1 timothy says.

We disagree, but before we get too far ahead of ourselves, please address my previous questions...

[buyeye]

I can understand that it's a choice but where the following quote justify the actions?

Pease be more specific with the question but I think this is what you are asking about.

Disfellowshipping :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jehovah...nal_discipline

All members are expected to abide by the beliefs and moral standards of Jehovah's Witnesses, and serious violations of these requirements can result in disfellowshipping if not deemed repentant; the term is used in reference to both the act of congregational expulsion (similar to excommunication) and subsequent shunning.[62] When a judicial committee decides that a baptized Witness has committed a serious sin and is unrepentant, the person is disfellowshipped. A person can appeal if they believe that a serious error in judgment has been made. Requests for appeal must be made in writing and within seven days of the decision of the judicial committee. If the decision is not appealed, an announcement is made at the Service Meeting that the named individual "is no longer one of Jehovah's Witnesses", without any further explanation. Shunning starts immediately after the announcement is made.[63]

If a baptized Witness teaches contrary to Witness doctrines, it is considered apostasy and grounds for disfellowshipping. Elders usually try to reason with the individual before such action is taken.[64] If a person believes that a teaching should be adjusted or changed, he is encouraged "to be patient and wait on Jehovah for change".[65]

All members are encouraged to have a detailed understanding of what is expected and the consequences of wrongdoing.[66] The stated purpose of congregation discipline is to help erring ones be restored to spiritual health, to help uphold the organization's reputation, and to keep the congregation clean from wrong conduct.[67]

[buyeye]

We disagree, but before we get too far ahead of ourselves, please address my previous questions...

Please repost the questions I missed .
Thanks.

[DJ...]

Please repost the questions I missed .
Thanks.

Firstly, please explain in your words, not using scripture. Otherwise we're going to go back and forth like this forever. In fact in the post that I asked you to explain it in your words, you simply requoted another post of yours with little actual substance and more scripture. Please explain yourself. My questions are clear - your answers are clear as mud.

Secondly, good associations changes nothing about the conclusion that being a witness becomes irrelevant. Either I am misinterpreting something or your good associations has absolutely nothing to do with the conflict. Again, please use your own words...

You simply ignored it by the looks of things...

[jingaling]

Pease be more specific with the question but I think this is what you are asking about.

Disfellowshipping :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jehovah...nal_discipline

All members are expected to abide by the beliefs and moral standards of Jehovah's Witnesses, and serious violations of these requirements can result in disfellowshipping if not deemed repentant; the term is used in reference to both the act of congregational expulsion (similar to excommunication) and subsequent shunning.[62] When a judicial committee decides that a baptized Witness has committed a serious sin and is unrepentant, the person is disfellowshipped. A person can appeal if they believe that a serious error in judgment has been made. Requests for appeal must be made in writing and within seven days of the decision of the judicial committee. If the decision is not appealed, an announcement is made at the Service Meeting that the named individual "is no longer one of Jehovah's Witnesses", without any further explanation. Shunning starts immediately after the announcement is made.[63]

If a baptized Witness teaches contrary to Witness doctrines, it is considered apostasy and grounds for disfellowshipping. Elders usually try to reason with the individual before such action is taken.[64] If a person believes that a teaching should be adjusted or changed, he is encouraged "to be patient and wait on Jehovah for change".[65]

All members are encouraged to have a detailed understanding of what is expected and the consequences of wrongdoing.[66] The stated purpose of congregation discipline is to help erring ones be restored to spiritual health, to help uphold the organization's reputation, and to keep the congregation clean from wrong conduct.[67]

The quote was quite specific. It does not say forgive after repentance. It so simply says forgive.

and this one:

Daniel 9:9

The Lord our God is merciful and forgiving, even though we have rebelled against him;

Why do the elders judge when even God is forgiving?

[DJ...]

Oh and seeing as we're discussing "seeing god face to face" let's see what John has to say about it:

"No man hath seen god at any time" (John 1:18)

Now let's see what Genesis has to say about it:

"Jacob said 'I have seen god face to face, and my life is preserved'" (Genesis 32:30)

So we can safely conclude that this whole argument is silly, because even the holy book itself doesn't know wtf is going on. Or Jacob is a liar. Which creates a whole host of other major problems...

[DJ...]

Daniel 9:9

The Lord our God is merciful and forgiving, even though we have rebelled against him;

"For I am merciful saith the lord, and I will not keep anger forever." (Jeremiah 3:12)

but:

"Ye have kindled a fire in mine anger, which shall burn forever." (Jeremiah 17:4)

So as we can see, the problem here is actually that the lord is not merciful, and he is a bit of a liar. Or he is simply a liar. Or humans got this all wrong and discussions relating to judgement are simply an extension of being at odds with ourselves about judging each other...