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    The Vietnam War ended over 35 years ago, but not before some 1 million people died. And the toxic chemical Agent Orange, used by US forces to burn away parts of the jungle, still lingers in the area, poisoning the environment and human bodies.

    *Only now, 51 years after the first spraying, is Washington acknowledging the devastation it caused with Agent Orange to Vietnam’s ecosystem and the health of the Vietnamese.

    On Thursday, the two countries are launching the first ever joint decontamination program on part of Danang International Airport, located in one of the country’s most popular tourist destinations. The deadly defoliant was stored at Danang airbase and sprayed from US military planes to strip trees of their foliage and expose communist troops along the border with Laos.

    US troops sprayed up to 53 million liters of Agent Orange during 10 years of the Vietnam War, according to Reuters.

    To this day, vast amounts of the toxic chemical remain in soil and water sources. They can enter the food chain through animal fat, leaving many people to deal with its harmful after-effects. It has been blamed for countless deaths and deformities in newborn babies, having affected both the Vietnamese – not discriminating between combatants and civilians – and US veterans.

    The American government is now allocating US$41 million to the clean-up project, which is aimed at reducing the contamination levels in 73,000 cubic meters of soil by late 2016, according to Vietnam’s ruling Communist Party.

    However, the question of health compensation is still one of the major post-war issues between Washington and Hanoi.

    For many years after the war the United States did not want to recognize that Agent Orange was even a problem for its own veterans, says Jeanne Mirer, president of the International Association of Democratic Lawyers.

    “Until 1994, when normalization happened, they reneged on any obligation that they had agreed to remediate or help rebuild Vietnam. It’s been a historic denial process that the United States has had, saying that they don’t believe there’s anything wrong, that they did anything wrong or that there’s been any problem,” she told RT.

    So what triggered that change in Washington’s attitude?

    Columnist and political cartoonist Ted Rall says it is profit, not ethics.

    “US trade relations with Vietnam are becoming increasingly important, especially as China reaches out into Vietnam. So the State Department obviously views this as an opportunity to improve the relations with Vietnam and therefore open up more opportunities for American business,” he told RT. “This is over half a century later – a lot of the people who were affected would have died of old age anyway by now… We should have taken care of this in 1975.”

    Rall’s stance is echoed by Vietnam War veteran and organizer of the ANSWER Coalition, Bill Hackwell, who believes that Washington's motives are not purely humanitarian.

    “You have to question the timing of that, and it cannot only be viewed as a concern to try to pull Vietnam closer to them – because of the growing influence that China has as an emerging superpower around the world,” he said.
    http://www.rt.com/news/agent-orange-...-cleaning-215/

    The last bit of the article is an interesting take on why the US suddenly gives a shyte about vietnam and what they did to the country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by killadoob View Post
    http://www.rt.com/news/agent-orange-...-cleaning-215/

    The last bit of the article is an interesting take on why the US suddenly gives a shyte about vietnam and what they did to the country.
    i guess the USA is the only country in the world who has gone to war with a country and then try to be friends with them later for economical reasons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crackersa View Post
    i guess the USA is the only country in the world who has gone to war with a country and then try to be friends with them later for economical reasons.
    Germany, Japan ring a bell?

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    Quote Originally Posted by etwylite View Post
    Germany, Japan ring a bell?
    I think his remark was sarcastic, that is how i read it though . The article is not about the vietnam war, it is about the US finally helping vietnam after they wrecked the country with untested chemicals. It could be said they used it as a chemical weapon because that is what agent orange became to the people of vietnam and to the US soldiers. People can say o they never knew but what kind of crazy people drop untested chemicals on a country?

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    The USA doesn't exactly have a good human rights record.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Garson007 View Post
    The USA doesn't exactly have a good human rights record.
    Outside their country yes but they have a good human rights situation inside so it's chilled. As long as they are not slaughtering americans nobody cares.

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    73 000 cubic meters?...

    If we assume that they clear it 1 meter deep, that's only 73 000 square meters of ground surface they are clearing.

    That is only a square 270m by 270m.

    THAT IS NOTHING!!!

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    The U.S. Agency for International Development (USAID) has awarded contracts to two U.S. companies to work on the project along with Vietnam defense ministry officials, the U.S. Embassy said.

    That is only for the airport where they buried the stuff when they left. The US would need to give vietnam trillions to clean it up.

    http://www.agentorangerecord.com/age...cambodia_laos/

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/amy-ch...b_1607593.html

    The sad thing is most countries know the US are not a country that sticks to their word, so they should just admit and help the guys who are suffering from their chemical weapon.

    Agent orange is the worst chemical ever used in a war. It will be there decades after the war has passed.
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    The USA always helps countries after they have been to war with them!

    Probably one of the few and only countries in the world to do so.

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    Maybe in 100 years we'll find out what really went down 9-11.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Garyvdh View Post
    The USA always helps countries after they have been to war with them!

    Probably one of the few and only countries in the world to do so.
    And once they give them billions in post war aid money they get them to buy US products from companies with politicians as their heads that supported the war effort. So the money goes directly back to them or via a thrid party
    entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem

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    Quote Originally Posted by killadoob View Post
    Outside their country yes but they have a good human rights situation inside so it's chilled. As long as they are not slaughtering americans nobody cares.
    Don't think any country has a good human rights record when it comes to war. Kinda hard to respect someone's rights when your goal is to defeat them

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maddmatt View Post
    Don't think any country has a good human rights record when it comes to war. Kinda hard to respect someone's rights when your goal is to defeat them
    There is no human rights in war dude but you can avoid stuff like agent orange, it doesn't only kill your enemy.

    Gary the only reason they are helping 51 years later is because they are worried about china's influence. If the US really gave a shyte about helping they would have done it decades ago. Did you miss the part that said US companies will be handling the clean up, so as ponder mentioned it buys them influence and the money is given to US companies so they are not really helping vietnam because they want to. They are helping them for reasons that will benefit the US moving forward.

    If the US cared so much about people they would admit to agent orange use in japan and help thousands of soldiers suffering from the effects but they prefer to deny it and lie, leaving thousands of troops without help. So amazing and kind hey. It's not like anyone would care if they admit to breaking a treaty with japan. It would actually be expected.

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    Quote Originally Posted by killadoob View Post
    There is no human rights in war dude but you can avoid stuff like agent orange, it doesn't only kill your enemy.
    Geneva protocol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by killadoob View Post
    There is no human rights in war dude but you can avoid stuff like agent orange, it doesn't only kill your enemy.

    Gary the only reason they are helping 51 years later is because they are worried about china's influence. If the US really gave a shyte about helping they would have done it decades ago. Did you miss the part that said US companies will be handling the clean up, so as ponder mentioned it buys them influence and the money is given to US companies so they are not really helping vietnam because they want to. They are helping them for reasons that will benefit the US moving forward.

    If the US cared so much about people they would admit to agent orange use in japan and help thousands of soldiers suffering from the effects but they prefer to deny it and lie, leaving thousands of troops without help. So amazing and kind hey. It's not like anyone would care if they admit to breaking a treaty with japan. It would actually be expected.
    Killa, no matter what they do and no matter what anybody says you are going to criticise them.
    You have proven over and over again, that you will always take the other side, even against all presented evidence or objectivity.

    So in reality we are all just wasting our time in this thread, because you are hopelessly biased and lack any reasonable sense of objectivity at all.
    There is no point in talking to you about the USA.
    The difference between us and you is that we will often criticise the USA and will often applaud efforts made towards peace by those that we normally see as the enemy.
    But in your case it is always just 100% bash the USA.
    That is why nobody ever takes you or your threads seriously.
    (obviously, I'm speaking about you in general, and not just in relation to this thread)

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