Facebook   Twitter    e-mail newsletter    YouTube    RSS Feed    Android App    iPhone and iPad App     BlackBerry App    


Page 3 of 4 FirstFirst 123 4 LastLast
Results 31 to 45 of 57

Thread: Religion based schools in a secular state

  1. #31
    Super Grandmaster cbrunsdonza's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2008
    Location
    Somerset West
    Posts
    9,809

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by porchrat View Post
    ...
    Well then you support schools that are white only and won't allow any other races because religion is in the very same paragraph as racial discrimination with the exact same wording.
    ...
    No surprise you had to mention race and accuse me of racism. And no, unlike ones race which you cannot change (unless your Michael Jackson), one can change ones religion.
    Overflow error in /dev/null

  2. #32
    Super Grandmaster porchrat's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2008
    Location
    I don't know but it smells like lasagna
    Posts
    22,629

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by cbrunsdonza View Post
    No surprise you had to mention race and accuse me of racism. And no, unlike ones race which you cannot change (unless your Michael Jackson), one can change ones religion.
    I never accused you of racism at all. READ IT MORE CLOSELY.

    I'm merely taking your logic to its ultimate conclusion as both are protected under the very same subsection within the Bill of Rights.
    The box said "requires Windows7 or better" so I installed Linux.

  3. #33

    Default

    Shouldn't children be protected from religion?

  4. #34

    Default

    It's funny, there are private religious schools like St Peters where parents are willing to pay more than university costs for prep school for their kids just so that they can have less rifraf and their kids can be with other rich, religios kids.

    It can be up to 60k a year for a kid in grade 0

    There are other private religious schools that are way worse than St Peters though.
    Without a winking smiley or other blatant display of humor, it is impossible to create a parody of Fundamentalism that SOMEONE won't mistake for the real thing.

  5. #35
    Banned
    Join Date
    May 2009
    Location
    Cape Town
    Posts
    2,526

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by grantza View Post
    Should there be religious based schools in a secular state?

    This was a heated topic of discussion at a dinner I recently attended.
    We have Catholic schools. Jewish schools, Islamic schools etc.
    Does the separation of children based on sex & religion during schooling years not lead to insular societies.
    Would a child bearing the name of Cohen be admitted to a islamic school & would a child bearing the name Ahmed be admitted to a jewish school

    Should specific religious education not be restricted to private tuition at places of worship after normal school hours.
    How can this even be a question.

    If people aren't allowed to use their money to create a religious based school, we would effectively be living in a police state.

  6. #36
    Banned
    Join Date
    May 2009
    Location
    Cape Town
    Posts
    2,526

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Nicodeamus View Post
    Shouldn't children be protected from religion?
    Well what about The Philosophy of Liberty then?

    It's like saying shouldn't children be protected from atheism. Children can make up their own mind when they have grown up. It is the duty of the parents to raise their children as best they can, and as they see best.
    Last edited by empirex; 18-08-2012 at 02:44 PM.

  7. #37

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by empirex View Post
    How can this even be a question.

    If people aren't allowed to use their money to create a religious based school, we would effectively be living in a police state.
    People are credulous animals.

    Sometimes they need to be controlled.

    Private schools can pretty much do what they want, have a session of crying in tongues while everyone convulses every morning at registration if they like. But public schools must be secular.

    Would you like your kids learning about Xenu and taught as science?

    Xenu was, according to the founder of Scientology L. Ron Hubbard, the dictator of the "Galactic Confederacy" who, 75 million years ago, brought billions of his people to Earth in a DC-8-like spacecraft, stacked them around volcanoes and killed them using hydrogen bombs. Official Scientology scriptures hold that the essences of these many people remained, and that they form around people in modern times, causing them spiritual harm
    Well thats what would happen if religious people got their way in schools.

    Thankfully they don't get their way. Some aspects of our lives need to be controlled for the sake of our own benefit.
    Last edited by CoolBug; 18-08-2012 at 05:41 PM.
    Without a winking smiley or other blatant display of humor, it is impossible to create a parody of Fundamentalism that SOMEONE won't mistake for the real thing.

  8. #38

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by empirex View Post
    It's like saying shouldn't children be protected from atheism. Children can make up their own mind when they have grown up. It is the duty of the parents to raise their children as best they can, and as they see best.
    That's funny, children don't need protections from atheists, rofl, they are atheists (by definition of course) until their parents teach them about all the special characters like Jesus, the easter bunnies and the tokolosh.

    And then they confuse the crap out of the poor kids by saying... oh wait kid.. you know all those special characters that we taught you... the ones you can't see? well they don't exist.

    *kid cries and rolls on the floor wailing..*

    Oh wait don't be sad, Jesus is still real.



    You also show atheistic tendencies to all the other thousands of Gods so you not liking atheism is a bit strange if you ask me.

    Edit: Oh look, I found an atheist child

    Last edited by CoolBug; 18-08-2012 at 05:53 PM.
    Without a winking smiley or other blatant display of humor, it is impossible to create a parody of Fundamentalism that SOMEONE won't mistake for the real thing.

  9. #39
    Banned
    Join Date
    May 2009
    Location
    Cape Town
    Posts
    2,526

    Default

    Yo Coolbug, you sound like a psycho dictator buddy, no different from communist China today.
    It's your right to reject Jesus or any other religion, but don't step on my rights as a parent or citizen to practise the right to freedom of religion, or I'll step on your rights.

    How old are you? You have no idea just what it is you are selling do you. Just how dangerous it is.

    I ask your age, because what has failed you here is empathy (and perhaps a little common sense). While you are willing to sacrifice someone else's rights to religion -- someone else might be willing to sell your right to free speech; alcohol; freedom of association; earn a wage, etc.

    Democracy crumbles a brick at a time.

    People are credulous animals.

    Sometimes they need to be controlled.
    LOL, try selling your slave mentality to someone else, I ain't buying.

  10. #40
    Super Grandmaster ponder's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2005
    Location
    KZN Dolphin Coast
    Posts
    32,831

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by porchrat View Post
    Doesn't have to be it is there in black and white in unambiguous terms. It is a basic human right recognised in our Bill of Rights that you may not be discriminated against based upon religion.
    I honestly cant see a jewish school accepting 100 new islamic kids starting grade one and vice versa. It ain't gonna happen. You have to keep in mind that it's a private school.
    entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem

  11. #41

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by empirex View Post
    Yo Coolbug, you sound like a psycho dictator buddy, no different from communist China today.
    China makes all your schit so don't be hating them. China can only be a communist state, I do not think democracy would work in China.

    Quote Originally Posted by empirex View Post
    It's your right to reject Jesus or any other religion, but don't step on my rights as a parent or citizen to practise the right to freedom of religion, or I'll step on your rights.

    How old are you? You have no idea just what it is you are selling do you. Just how dangerous it is.
    What I'm selling? How on earth is a secular state dangerous?

    Quote Originally Posted by empirex View Post
    I ask your age, because what has failed you here is empathy (and perhaps a little common sense). While you are willing to sacrifice someone else's rights to religion -- someone else might be willing to sell your right to free speech; alcohol; freedom of association; earn a wage, etc.

    Democracy crumbles a brick at a time.

    LOL, try selling your slave mentality to someone else, I ain't buying.
    I'll say it again and I think it's funny that you argue with this fact:

    People are credulous animals.

    Sometimes they need to be controlled.

    I point you to law, police, courts, mental institutions. We do need to be controlled sometimes for our own good. You can't have as much freedom as you want, this isn't the 60s.

    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1091617/

    Expelled is a movie about creationists trying to teach their fables in universities as science.

    They needed to be controlled and kicked the hell out of universities and black listed for thinking they are free to teach their crap as science.

    I have no problem with you practicing your religion at church or at your home I don't care if you shout at your kids in tongues, just don't think that schits normal and come into society trying to teach or impose these things on other people.
    Last edited by CoolBug; 18-08-2012 at 10:05 PM.
    Without a winking smiley or other blatant display of humor, it is impossible to create a parody of Fundamentalism that SOMEONE won't mistake for the real thing.

  12. #42
    Super Grandmaster
    Join Date
    May 2005
    Location
    Kent, UK
    Posts
    5,061

    Default Religion based schools in a secular state

    Quote Originally Posted by Nicodeamus View Post
    Shouldn't children be protected from religion?
    Children should be taught to make up their own minds.

    There is no need to protect them from religion. They are smart enough to figure it out for themselves. And if they make the wrong choice, so what? It's part of growing up.

    Anyway, try to protect children from something usually has the opposite effect. Until they learn themselves.
    Every time you use a nested table(Oracle) a puppy dies

  13. #43

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by zippy View Post
    Anyway, try to protect children from something usually has the opposite effect. Until they learn themselves.
    I agree, just look at convent girls.
    Without a winking smiley or other blatant display of humor, it is impossible to create a parody of Fundamentalism that SOMEONE won't mistake for the real thing.

  14. #44
    Super Grandmaster ponder's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2005
    Location
    KZN Dolphin Coast
    Posts
    32,831

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by CoolBug View Post
    I agree, just look at convent girls.
    Hey, leave them alone.
    entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem

  15. #45
    Banned
    Join Date
    May 2009
    Location
    Cape Town
    Posts
    2,526

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by CoolBug View Post
    China makes all your schit so don't be hating them. China can only be a communist state, I do not think democracy would work in China.

    What I'm selling? How on earth is a secular state dangerous?

    I'll say it again and I think it's funny that you argue with this fact:

    People are credulous animals.

    Sometimes they need to be controlled.

    I point you to law, police, courts, mental institutions. We do need to be controlled sometimes for our own good. You can't have as much freedom as you want, this isn't the 60s.

    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1091617/

    Expelled is a movie about creationists trying to teach their fables in universities as science.

    They needed to be controlled and kicked the hell out of universities and black listed for thinking they are free to teach their crap as science.

    I have no problem with you practicing your religion at church or at your home I don't care if you shout at your kids in tongues, just don't think that schits normal and come into society trying to teach or impose these things on other people.
    LOL dude.

    You're confusing issues. We are a secular state buddy. But that doesn't retract from people being allowed to establish religious schools.

    Your problem here is that the basis of your argument is that - religion is evil / wrong / bad, whatever.

    Point being: you can't pick and choose what freedoms are "allowed" and what aren't. You are selling a form of fascism-lite.

    Pack your bags and head over to China if that is what you want, I prefer real democracy. Stop trying to trample on my rights for f*** sakes!!!!!! Get it???

    I ask you again how old are you? Not trying to be insulting here, just curious.

Page 3 of 4 FirstFirst 123 4 LastLast

Similar Threads

  1. Kingston Unveils SandForce-based Solid-State Drive
    By jes in forum PC Hardware and Gadgets
    Replies: 3
    Last Post: 03-06-2011, 02:40 PM
  2. Flash-based solid-state drives nearly impossible to erase
    By bekdik in forum PC Hardware and Gadgets
    Replies: 9
    Last Post: 26-02-2011, 02:45 PM
  3. Faith based schools
    By Asha'man X in forum Philosophical Debates
    Replies: 198
    Last Post: 28-08-2010, 02:00 PM
  4. Schools to recite allegiance to state and land
    By Pr⊕phet in forum News and Current Affairs
    Replies: 497
    Last Post: 14-02-2008, 01:01 PM
  5. Replies: 49
    Last Post: 07-10-2005, 12:16 PM

Bookmarks

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •