prepared to have your mind blown into a million piecesOriginally Posted by Geriatrix
search myADSL or myBroadband for some of the insanity from here or read random examples of mindless horror that I can not prepare yo for even if I tried.
the current quote won't be available yet as they screen it first and sometimes it just ain't fundie enough and if you see the competition, you'll understand why...
the point is that he was "very god of very god" before he died for your sins.
disprove the resurrection and you still have the virgin birth.
his salvific nature was predicated on his divinity.
other people were raised from the dead, before and around that time, as per gospel accounts. this did not make them divine.
other people claimed to be the messiah and performed miracles. this did not make them divine.
so how can we know that jesus was in fact god himself? because he said so? because he performed miracles? because of his claims? because of the resurrection? because of some accounts written many decades after the time by his adherents? because of some secular authors who also wrote long after the event an omitted crucial details like the zombie apocalypse (matt 27:51) and the ascension?
let's put that aside and assume it to be true. now we're all sitting here 2000 years later. why do we need more evidence for this one historical claim than other historical claims? because this truth claim has bigger significance than the other. my life isn't affected until some fundie decides that the story has relevance for me now and that all of a sudden if i don't do x, y and z, there will be consequences. or that my children can't have basic science taught to them because it conflicts with their version of history.
picture yourself going back in time to the last supper. somebody arrives with a projector and shows some video of the state of the world in 2012. socio-politically, much has changed. but mankind is still faced with the same challenges, and the advent of the messiah hasn't really achieved what most people expected it to do. the rapture certainly hasn't come, and the end times are stuck on a loop. seriously? this was the plan? i think the disciples would have been pretty miffed.
if you're equating the devil with heresy, then it works both ways.Who you listen to define who you become. By choosing to listen to the Devil, that is what you become.
Think about it.
do you not accept the revelation of joseph smith or the prophet (pbuh) or the pope? how can you assert that your truth is the one truth? because of your inner voice?
anyways, when i looked closely at the source of "evil", let me tell you what i found:
- a bunch of people acting selfishly, because that's what people do (see milgram experiment, stanford prison experiment, the bystander effect and the trolley experiment)
- a bunch of people selling the occult because there's always a sucker (see cold reading and the forer effect, ouija and the ideomotor effect etc)
- some people doing heinous acts due to superstition, poor education and a lack of ability to think critically
- a bunch of people killing one another in the name of their particular deity (see the death count of god vs devil in the bible)
seriously. who needs a devil when the deities of fundies have provided much more incentive to kill throughout the ages? in that sense, perhaps listening to "the devil" (not really sure what that is) isn't such a bad thing?
Last edited by murraybiscuit; 17-08-2012 at 01:13 PM.
Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so
Gee... I wonder who did that
How do you know this?Quote# 89127
The box said "requires Windows7 or better" so I installed Linux.
I don't think you want to know.
I sometimes go take a read through the FSTDT list of quotes and man it is disturbing. Some truly whacko people out there.
The box said "requires Windows7 or better" so I installed Linux.
hang ten. so if god told you to kill your son, you'd do it. but if he told a schizophrenic, i'm assuming different rules would apply?
i'm not hating on you. i'm just following the logic of your argument.
Last edited by murraybiscuit; 17-08-2012 at 01:16 PM.
Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so
Meh. Those are tame after reading news24 comments. Have you read those?
That which comes into existence will eventually break apart and pass away
Dont read News24 comments , your brain will melt.Meh. Those are tame after reading news24 comments. Have you read those?
Which begs the question again, how would they know when God is talking to them? Everyone gets all up in nogards ass when he says he does it.
That which comes into existence will eventually break apart and pass away
Nope.Meh. Those are tame after reading news24 comments. Have you read those?
and now I am afraid to
The box said "requires Windows7 or better" so I installed Linux.
Yes, Jesus is God and was God from the beginning. The problem is: you make the mistake like a lot of others of looking only at the physical aspects of Jesus' death on the cross and resurrection. The theology behind it is what matters. On the cross Jesus became sin for His people. He became a substitute. Taking the punishment of sin so that we should not. He died cause the wages of sin is death. He rising 3 days later shows he has power over death.
His resurrection is a miracle indeed. But do you understand the miracle of justification, sanctification, glorification, regeneration, adoption and more that Jesus' death and resurrection brought about?
Also, the plan was the save the lost. The disciples/apostles knew it. That is why the worked so hard to preach to gospel to everyone. The gospel is still being preached today till every tribe, tongue and nation confess that Jesus is Lord. The apostles would rejoice.
Besides, Jesus said things will only go from worse to worse on this Earth before He returns. The disciples would've thought Jesus a liar if things were all wonderful here in 2012.
If you believe listening to the devil as not "such a bad thing" then you've already been deceived by himif you're equating the devil with heresy, then it works both ways.
do you not accept the revelation of joseph smith or the prophet (pbuh) or the pope? how can you assert that your truth is the one truth? because of your inner voice?
anyways, when i looked closely at the source of "evil", let me tell you what i found:
- a bunch of people acting selfishly, because that's what people do (see milgram experiment, stanford prison experiment, the bystander effect and the trolley experiment)
- a bunch of people selling the occult because there's always a sucker (see cold reading and the forer effect, ouija and the ideomotor effect etc)
- a bunch of people killing one another in the name of their particular deity (see the death count of god vs devil in the bible)
seriously. who needs a devil when the deities of fundies have provided much more incentive to kill throughout the ages? in that sense, perhaps listening to "the devil" (not really sure what that is) isn't such a bad thing?
Besides, these gods of fundies as you call them are nothing more than than devils anyways.
"my truth" is based on the Bible as I said, especially the words and teachings of Jesus and His apostles. So anything in direct contradiction to that I regard as false or heresy.
A hypothetical question was asked of me and I answered with a simple 'yes'. Why? Because we should always seek to do God's will. However, I know God's will according to the Bible is of me to love my child and wife and neighbour and any one else, including my enemies.
So, if a voice tells me to kill my child, I would know it is not from God, cause God already told me to love. And murder is not love.
Again, read Acts 17:11. That is what wise Christians do.
If the world is round;
live as if it is round.
If it is not;
live as if it is not.
Right, you are a complete lunatic.
This answer should explain to any rational human being why I find religion (Christianity soundly included) dangerous and objectionable.
I'm done with our discussion, thanks for it so far, but I may as well go to a nuthouse and find someone to talk to there.
Isn't god the dad and jesus the son?
But the disciples are not here in 2012. Some kind of plan that was.His resurrection is a miracle indeed. But do you understand the miracle of justification, sanctification, glorification, regeneration, adoption and more that Jesus' death and resurrection brought about?
Also, the plan was the save the lost. The disciples/apostles knew it. That is why the worked so hard to preach to gospel to everyone. The gospel is still being preached today till every tribe, tongue and nation confess that Jesus is Lord. The apostles would rejoice.
Besides, Jesus said things will only go from worse to worse on this Earth before He returns. The disciples would've thought Jesus a liar if things were all wonderful here in 2012.
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Johnone you do realise what you use to validate your beliefs can be used by a Scientologist to validate their beliefs and they would be no more right or wrong than you.
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So you were a nutjob when I joined the forum?!
I always had the impression you were rational!
And by your response you show you sly, underhanded ways. You seek not understanding or discussion. You seek only to trap me within your own preconceived distorted view of Biblical Christianity.
If you read through the thread you'd see I elaborated on my initial simple yes answer. Yet you don't bother to answer my question/s.
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