One of my friends needs an industrial material which he couldn't find locally!
Anyone has any experience with buying online from chinese manufactures?
One of my friends needs an industrial material which he couldn't find locally!
Anyone has any experience with buying online from chinese manufactures?
You're not mentioning quantities here Komrun. Is it sheets, ingots, bags, bottles,tins, bales, etc. by parcel, tea chest, shared container, full container, or what?
That dx.com is a cool reseller link nadimm and it's in my favourites now, thanks. Even though it looks like another Amazon/eBay/Wallmart laundry. i like the Opus option. Wonder if South Africa is one of the 40 Countries that they mention there?
There may still be be a lot left to conquer. Veni vidi vici. i see some of the products say free delivery. What was your experience in so far as delivery is concerned? Do they do as Alibaba/Aliexpress/Others do and mostly use expensive courier companies originally meant for urgent blood and body part transfusions and transplants, spider and snake bite and deadly disease, antivenom, inoculations and vaccines and urgent documents that need the bosses signature while away at a "conference" with the sexy new "PA", overseas somewhere, or can one get delivery via Hong Kong, or China Post, (now being overun by the expensive courier companies and their Mafia styled tactics which institute the exhorbitant fees that are charged for what used to be a simple and moderate, though a mainly sluggish mode of delivery which is now on the brink of extinction)?
i really whish him the best of luck, because it looks like he will be fighting a loosing battle, unless the people get behind him. Preferably with a big boot, to kick his a$$ into gear....
This is what a Post Office fighting even a loosing battle looks like and this is really some of the best service in the world. It's a service that does not merely hand out pdf downloads and give you error messages of "Not Connected To Universe". While in South Africa we continue to defraud the people of the US and all the other Countries who use and pay for a tracking service, because the systems are provided by Mafia type "steak holders". So now the US citizens don't really even want to deal with us and i don't blame them. We should really be toyi toying outside the Post Office for service delivery. Instead, Post Office workers toyi toyi for more money and merely give us more expensive crap to deal with and a bunch of slop and theft, for service. We wind up paying more and more, for worse and worse.
Why when we deal with China, is there always a US middleman? Everything is charged in almighty US dollars? This, when there are reports flying around in the media that the US owe's China anything from between 1.2 and 4 trillion dollars.
There are conspiracy threats here of world destruction, where China are breaking away from using the petrodollar to buy oil from Russia.because they will be trading in Roubles/Yuan and so i find it rather strange that China still wants to trade in more US dollars. i mean, when i used to buy stuff from Japan i paid in JP¥, for the UK it was the (BP) £ and before the Euro i bought stuff from Countries in Europe in the currency of that Country, but now it's mostly €. Canada and Australia have their respective dollars, Hong Kong used to trade in HK$, etc. Why are we not dealing with China in Yuan?
i liked the above link, because i could make up my mind if the reports were accurate, or people were just thumbsucking to create a bunch of baloney and cooking up a conspiracy, based on heresay. By clicking on the highlighted blue "figures" in the report line "......Treasury Department's latest figures...." below the graph there, you get figures straight from the horses mouth and not it's a$$. You can't believe eveything you read though and even profess to have an opinion, unless you also learn of the flip side:
Bas turds moved it here
That's why i only express a view, because i've been told that i'm not really qualified to have an opinion. Usually by kids who are half the age of my own. My epitaph should probably be, "Ek vat nie *** van kabouters nie".
Was this post merely for punting purposes? Sorry op, but there's quite a bit to considder here and one needs to see the bigger picture, before one can put things in a better and hopefully a brighter perspective for you.
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I wonder if we could see a different structure regarding open trade with China with the inclusion of South Africa on the BRICS. The governor of the SARB clearly stated earlier in the year that to move to a united currency (as with what the EU countries did) showed that this in indeed not the way to go, but alas in the BRICS talks have shown that this might be on the table, and definitely to move away from the current reserve currency of the world (USD) is a priority.
however, you are probably look at insane paperwork to get those stuffs across the border.
I didn't have time to read the post.
Dx is free delivery. Prepare to wait anywhere between 1 and 4 months. Usually the delay is on this side. Say 2 to 3 weeks to dispatch. 1 week post. Eternity from SA PO. It's an art.
I can elaborate, but I'm lazy.
I came. I saw. I concurred.
We checked up Alibaba!
the shipping cost to joburg is more than the product itself!
...so of course i'm reassured that they still do.
Sellers on Alibaba are usually the manufacturers agent, or the wholesaler and sometimes the manufacturer sells there themselves. They often ask ridiculous minimum quantities, but you can ask for a sample and then bargain, especially when they have a wide range of prices. Tell them you are not from the US and that we have 1/6 th the population at 1/10th of the GDP of the US and that if they want to do business, they need to get real. Ask for L/C FOB on sight pricing to be quoted in Yuan. Find a good shipping agent if your order is not going to be a once off. It will give you more leverage for better prices in the future and you will look more professional. Ask for their CIF prices as well, just in case they have shippers that are cheaper than ours. If you are not sure when you will be making payment, the Rand is very volatile, so it may be a good idea to take out forward cover when you arrange finance at your bank. The weakening of the exchange rate is owing to strike unrest and is likely to favour exports rather than imports whatever the case, thought there are no grounds for it's worth being about a quarter of what it should be in my book, so if you are buying on Credit, (and i don't mean Credit card, i mean dipping into an overdraft facility) then you're pretty much obligated to taking out forward cover. You need to keep your finger on the pulse of the Financial markets and i'll never understand all the BS that goes into that, so it's not my forte'. A thing about shipping is; if the seller ships, then delivery is their baby. Insurance is not compulsory either way, but if you use a shipping agent then the risk is all yours, so it's a sensible thing to insure the goods. This all adds up, but it's nice when you find that the bottom line is still much better than using a Courier.
This one looks sooooo gooooood...
Lovely Rita meter maid nothing can come between us....
You might want to register as an importer, but it doesn't really matter, they will peg you when the time comes anyway. Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's, doesn't mean you have to run out with a silver platter and offer it to him on bended knees. He must send out his legions to come and get it. The "new" IVS section 113, will allow you to get just 6 items by post in any calendar year before you're automatically flagged as an importer and flagged by SARS as an entrepreneur and the legions are sent marching off after your a$$. Of course, the elite and the idle rich who can afford to fly around the globe doing shopping, such as all the Presidents wives and his kids, can each bring in R5000 plus worth of goods, tax and duty free, every 30 days, but that is not all. They also get R20000 to bring in goods at a 20% flat rate on which VAT is not charged. So the thing to do is to find the right commodity, a strong suitcase and become a jet setter. i've heard of people doing this with silk ties.
If you have two kids overseas and they send you a little gift on mothers/fathers day, your birthday and Xmas, you not only pay tax, duties and clearance on that, but you are now a fully fledged importer and entrepreneur. Used to be that a citizen got a R300 duty free allowance once a year on parcels, but ever since they started taxing even the air we breath, that seems to have fallen by the wayside. Next it will be our shadow that they tax, but i see there's already shadow tax and if that's not enough there is always....
AliExpress is Alibaba's baby brother for the retailer and it's usually the little guy/gal with a bigger mark-up for smaller quantities. It's all sold on the equivalent of a CIF basis and mostly shipped by Couriers appointed by Ali. You have to look hard to find a vendor who will ship, or sell by another means. You can contact them too though. It may take 10 "No!"s to make one "Yes!", but that's the worst that can happen. Lots of scammers lurk on AliExpress, so be careful there. Read their reviews and search their Forums.
In South Africa everyone always used to quote, "Terms strictly 30 days, (Including, or Excluding VAT) ex-stock, subject to prior sale, otherwise delivery is 4 to 6 weeks, subject to the exchange rate."
4 to 6 weeks is the time that shipping by seafreight, (surface mail - or China/Hong Kong/SA post - "snail mail") is expected to take, except when there is a SAPO strike, as there was in June of this year. It seems they're still reeling from that and they're still not happy and there may be a "go slow" and still a big cock up in the software from the posts going up now, but who wouldn't be pi $$ed off at this?
Mostly, a good shipping agent will halve the 4 to 6 weeks surface mail times and you'll find that their rates by volume may only be around, or slightly more, or less, than those of SAPO's. Of course the stuff i was importing couldn't make the 10Kg limit that SAPO had, if i wanted to bring in a carton containing more than 4 items, so i pretty much had little option, but to find a shipping agent.
Couriers are for blood transfusions and romance, not for trade shipping. However, you can't beat their pricing unless you are prepared to do a little work for yourself and you may even find a little romance in that.
i used to go as far as SAA Cargo at ORT to send and collect and got the agents i distributed to around the major areas of the Country to do the same, even for small parcels and single items. i'd only use a shipping agent for imports and exports, but i did the delivery and pick-ups from them myself to save a bit too, because i always had places to go and somewhere to get a nice cup of coffee and use their phone. SAA Cargo was about the same trouble as posting at SAPO and they gave you nice big stickers and coloured tape and stuff and a phone call when things arrived which was usually on the same, or very next day. Of course i wasn't dealing with trinkets and these were expensive items and petrol wasn't R12 a litre either, so today i would have to plan my day a bit better and get up a bit earlier and see more people in the area and work a bit later, (or smarter) to offset that, but i'm sure it's still possible to find a better and cheaper ways to ship than with any Courier. Except for when there's a hold-up at Gillooly's, it's worth any trouble, but that's the chance you take.
Some little know-it-all insinuating to be my alter ego asked me here once, if i would be prepared to sell to the Congo, or Nigeria? i didn't want to tear them limb from limb, or follow their ridiculous loaded agenda and so i didn't answer that, but i would sell to Timbuktu, (and i hope they didn't damage the Library that South Africa paid big bucks for there) or Ice to Eskimos and i'd do so without any hesitation whatsoever, if the terms were L/C FOB on sight. So of course i've sold to the Congo and Nigeria before and i'd sell to Uganda again, even if Idi Amien was still in power there. L/C FOB on sight is hardly any risk to the seller. Money is money, even though some people think it grows on trees and that everyone is Happiness Stan and we're all just flush with it and that everyone is just there for the, "give, give, give, of the foodage". If you want to know where the other half of the moon and dangly is, you have to make sure that it doesn't take you 7 whole days to find out, on the back of a fly.
Thanks for the compliment Komrun and for the oportunity to take nostalgia trip and allowing me to vent a bit. Sorry, there are way to many issues and i sometimes go off at a tangent and forget the important stuff ina "wall of text". It's also been a while....
The FIRST THING that i would do before even looking at ANY commodity entrepreneurially, would be to check for a Customs Tariff Headings. A high customs tariff usually means that it's a luxury item, or that there is some local production being protected through the customs mechanism.
You need to use your browsers word search for the page. The "word/phrase" input box of the above link doesn't work in my browser. Click on a number, e.g. 7117.11 for "Cuff Links and Studs" for the pop-up. It also helps one derive the landed cost. Landed cost; includes anything and EVERYTHING you pay for the product, to get it under your roof. Cents add up even though they are not tender. You have to cover your rent and plant and stuff an also want to be rewarded for your time and trouble at the end of the day, so that's where the mark-up comes in. Naturally, the more work you put into importing as cheaply as possible and the quicker you can turn it over and the less you have to keep in stock, the more you can squeeze out of it. Chinese stuff is cheap but soft and the cheaper it is, the softer it gets. Be carefull that you don't fall into the trap of having to run around replacing stuff at the cost of your selling time.
To find out if something is produced locally contact the DTI (Department of Trade and Industry). That's what they're there for, besides sticking spanners in the works. It's always a good idea to see what they can come up with in so far as local producers, because what the DTI have in their records may have taken flight ages ago, in which case you have reasonable grounds to contest any tariff rate imposed.
Another good resource is:
They have some good links there too, but the people in the top echelons of all the "Chambers" of anything, are the ones who get the directive to co-ordinate the pulling of the puppet strings from the illuminati.
You'll be surprised at what is produced in South Africa, though personally i feel that South Africa still exports way to much raw material that could go a long way toward providing jobs, if they turned the minerals into more commodities and products, instead of railing them right past Newcastle and where we buy it back again in the form of imported finished goods. To change things they need to educate the people, but they prefer to keep them dumbed down in order to stay in power.
Good luck with your imports, i think you're going to need it.
WOW!! R400 twice a year versus R60000 and a BIG PLUS OF R240000 for the elite / "traveler". Wonder if they look at the exchange rate on the day the item was bought? Otherwise you could have a problem and be pretty pi $$ed off at the rate the exchange rate bounces around over a relatively short period of time. marco must be really livered. According to Jola in the following thread you might be able to get away with 3 x R20000 or a total of R60000 per year without having to register as an importer:
Also, they were talking about the new EDI system in the above thread that you might want to look into ...
.... and still no mention about the new IVS or it's implications to "the man in the street"...
Last edited by Boxy; 12-10-2012 at 09:12 PM.