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    An interesting opinion piece, but it was the final paragraph that really got my attention:

    " " This was all done in the name of Islam. This will be repeated sooner than later. Some would argue this is not the “real” Islam. Does it really matter what real Islam is when its true followers cannot stand against those who use religion to commit genocide? " "



    From Aleppo in Syria to Quetta in Balochistan, Muslims are engaged in the slaughter of other Muslims. The numbers are enormous: over 93,000 killed in the Syrian civil war and over 48,000 dead in Pakistan. Millions have perished in similar intra-Muslim conflicts in the past four decades. Many wonder if the belief in Islam was sufficient to bind Muslims in peace with each other.
    Since the end of the Second World War, the world has moved in two distinct directions. The West, mostly Christian, has tried to minimise the intra-European conflict and has largely been successful with some exceptions. The Muslim world, on the other hand, has fallen into one violent conflict after another, involving mostly Muslims. Several intra-Muslim conflicts continue to simmer as proxy wars. In the 80s, the Iran-Iraq war alone left millions dead. More recently, a car bomb in Iraq on Sunday killed another 39 in the sectarian warfare between the Shias and Sunnis that killed at least 1,045 in May 2013.

    As the violence amongst Muslims increases, most Muslims prefer denial or look for scapegoats. Those in denial believe no such violence exists and the entire issue is made up by the western-controlled media. Others blame it on scapegoats – Indians and Americans are the most frequently blamed. The overwhelming evidence, however, suggests that the sectarian and tribal divisions amongst Muslims and justifying violence in the name of religion are the primary causes of why Islam is at war with itself.

    In Pakistan, confessions and appalling claims of responsibility by the spokespersons for the Tehreek-i-Taliban and Lashkar-e-Jhangvi should leave no doubt about where the guilt resides. At the same time, the Pakistani Intelligence agencies have put together incriminating evidence running into hundreds of thousands of pages against the extremist sectarian outfits, al Qaeda affiliates, the nationalist militias in Balochistan, and others who have perpetrated indiscriminate violence against civilians and the State resulting in over 48,000 deaths since 2004.

    The hate-fuelled gulfs that divide Muslims are so wide that not only unarmed civilians, but doctors and others who try to save victims of violence, are also targeted by the extremists. The attack on the Bolan Medical Complex on Saturday, which left scores dead including four nurses, was not the first of its kind. A sectarian attack in Karachi in February 2010 was followed by a bomb attack on the Jinnah Postgraduate Medical Centre Hospital where victims were rushed for treatment. More than 25 Shia Muslims perished in the two attacks.

    Why is that the belief in Islam is not sufficient to prevent violence amongst Muslims? From the very first day Muslims are taught that their belief in Islam trumps all other identities that they may hold. Their skin colour, tribe, caste or creed, none matters once they enter the fold of Islam. Why then, have millions of Muslims died at the hands of their fellow believers?

    Political, religious, and other leaders in the Muslim world have kept the dialogue focused on the conflicts where Muslims have been the victims. The Bosnian conflict, the communal violence in India, which has caused the death of thousands of Muslims, and the Arab-Israeli conflict have been the focus of Muslim leaders. Seldom has the dialogue focused on why Muslims kill other Muslims. And even if the topic ever comes up, it ends up being an exercise in mass scapegoating.

    Muslim societies have thus evolved into places where revenge is confused with justice, forgiveness with weakness, and peace with cowardice. These are the places where unholy men wage holy wars against unarmed civilians, pitching Muslims against other Muslims.

    Back to Quetta

    Imagine the state of mind of the person who wore a suicide vest and boarded the bus carrying young women whose bright faces were lit with the pride of being educated. There was no reason to attack these innocent women who were unarmed and unrelated to any conflict. But that did not deter the suicide bomber who proceeded to kill them and herself in a suicide attack.

    Moments before the blast, the young women were ignorant of the pain that would soon be inflicted on them. They must be smiling and talking to their friends, planning for the rest of the day and for what lay ahead in their lives. The suicide bomber looked at the faces of the women who, if given the opportunity, would most certainly have improved the plight of their impoverished nation.

    And then the blast. Some died instantaneously. Others must have suffered the agonising pain of the wounds and the resulting fire that engulfed the bus and consumed its riders. Those who survived the blast must have heard the cries for help emerging from deep inside the bus. The rescuers must have rushed to the bus, but could not assist the victims since the leaping flames kept everyone at bay.

    Somewhere in or near Quetta a group of men chanted with pride, Allah-u-Akbar (God is great), eulogising the female suicide bomber for killing the very women who held the most promise for Pakistan. Their spokesperson called the news outlets to claim responsibility for the attack on unarmed women. Later, at the Bolan Medical Complex in Quetta, another group of men, armed with AK-47 and wearing suicide vests, engaged the security personnel in a standoff that left several more dead, including four nurses who were attending to the wounded from the earlier blast.

    This was all done in the name of Islam. This will be repeated sooner than later. Some would argue this is not the “real” Islam. Does it really matter what real Islam is when its true followers cannot stand against those who use religion to commit genocide?

    http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/murtaza...b_3478927.html

    http://www.dawn.com/news/1018849/isl...ar-with-itself

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    Religious infighting has been going on since humans thought it up.

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    everyone more worried about being right than understanding the gist of most religions, i.e. Live a "Good" life and treat others with respect.
    Last edited by lucifir; 30-10-2013 at 01:45 PM. Reason: Should not have said all religions

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    Muslims are moderate when they are a minority in a country. Once they are a majority this type of stuff comes up. Still, this is also cultural. The Muslim world is largely trapped in the same mentality the Christian world was in 500 years ago when Christian kings attacked and killed each other in the name of God and King. Its backwards thinking and the societies involved need to move beyond this.
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    Islam is a religion of peace!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cius View Post
    Muslims are moderate when they are a minority in a country. Once they are a majority this type of stuff comes up.

    That has been said many times, but in most countries majority rule applies.
    So whenever a group becomes the majority it is their voice that is naturally the loudest.
    It then stands to reason, when muslims become a majority in a country it is their requirements that are put in place - just as the transition of our own country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lucifir View Post
    everyone more worried about being right than understanding the gist of all religions, i.e. Live a "Good" life and treat others with respect
    That most certainly is not the gist of all religions. Buddhism maybe and some of the more watered-down versions of Christianity.

    Some religions don't care how nice you are. Some (like Islam) actually tell you to go and convert or kill everyone that doesn't share the same religion. The full-fat flavours of Christianity say it's OK to hate and make laws against people just because your sky-daddy doesn't like where they stick parts of their anatomy. Or that you shouldn't care about your fellow human beings, society or the planet because it's all ****ed up anyways and your sky-daddy is going to destroy the world soon so why bother. None of those sound very good or respectful to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by grantza View Post
    That has been said many times, but in most countries majority rule applies.
    So whenever a group becomes the majority it is their voice that is naturally the loudest.
    It then stands to reason, when muslims become a majority in a country it is their requirements that are put in place - just as the transition of our own country.
    Yes, but in the case of Muslims they actively persecute minorities (and groups different to themselves). The USA and Europe have hundreds of minority groups and those groups have far better rights and prospects than do Christian minorities in Muslim countries. I met a Jordanian Christian last year and because of his religion no local company would employ him. He had to work at one of the international hotels to get a job. Keep in mind that Jordan is one of the more progressive Arab states, its a far cry from say Pakistan or Iran.
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    Quote Originally Posted by grantza View Post
    That has been said many times, but in most countries majority rule applies.
    So whenever a group becomes the majority it is their voice that is naturally the loudest.
    It then stands to reason, when muslims become a majority in a country it is their requirements that are put in place - just as the transition of our own country.
    Their requirements as in the people or government? do you think saudi females enjoy being banned from driving?
    Jordan 14 year raped forced to marry rapist, i am sure she wanted that requirement.

    Grant you should download a movie. No end in sight. Brilliant movie.

    transition of our country was seamless, most whites live well. Well they live better than the black folks under the white government, makes you wonder who the savages really were.

    egypt went from a secular government to shariah government to dictatorship. Tunisia went from secular to shariah they want a new government. How can democracy work when people can just protest and dissolve the government they elected? Next government no good demonstrate new government. Grass is not always greener. However i am not saying the people have not taken the opportunity to pull off the SA situation. Seamless integration.

    Only country to remove a dictatorship and avoid chaos. Sad but true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by killadoob View Post
    Grant you should download a movie. No end in sight. Brilliant movie.
    will take a look

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    Quote Originally Posted by killadoob View Post
    Their requirements as in the people or government? do you think saudi females enjoy being banned from driving?
    Jordan 14 year raped forced to marry rapist, i am sure she wanted that requirement.
    Killa, you are confusing legal & cultural aspects of a country.
    Sure, woman (some - not all) want to be able to drive in saudi arabia. There is no law as such preventing it, it is cultural pressure.
    As with your reference to jordan, there is no law applied by govt for that type of behavior - cultural, once again.

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