There is an insistence to teach evolution and discard religion. What does that tell you about brain-washing? No I was not brain washed I promise you that. I just don't have enough enough faith to believe that this all just was a co-incidence, it is too mind-blowing,systematic...fantastic...godly may i say...Originally Posted by simple_simon
neither do i, but choosing chrisitian fundamentalism as your basis of belief is a tad curious considering all the evidence that christianity has just been used as a control mechanism for the last 2000 years. the bible (the basis of chrisitainity) has been altered so many times its been difficult to work out what has changed from the orignal works....and that there is no original works left for us to examine now is also suspicious.
it has always been manipulted by greedy self serving men over the mellenia.
whether you think you're right or you think you're wrong, you're right. - henry ford
Original Works
there are no original works concerning the bible if i may, and misused and abused as a control meganism, unfortunately. That was not the intention of J esus but pple will do basicly anything for power, will they not?
For example king saul even when he knew god rejected him, he still asked the prophet samuel to pray in front of the pple with him , because of the honour it would bring him...
I understand what you say, but clinging to the past will not heal us. Releasing the past hurts gives god an oppertunity to heal us...
I believe you. For instance, someone who drives a motorbike would be wasting his time at a car wash.
If you outlaw crack cocaine, only outlaws will have crack cocaine. If you outlaw guns, only outlaws will have guns.
thats my point....there is nothing left of *****' original message. as you just said. no-one has it anywhere.
so basically what people are doing now is making up their own version of what they wanted ***** to say and then saying its his words.
there is no integrity left in the teachings as they don't exist anylonger.
but the strangest bit of irony is that islam still has the orignal koran, thats why they have blinding faith...they still have the original unalter koran....but thats where human nature comes in.....look at all the different interpretations of an original document.
imagine what has happened to the bible for the last 2000 years in this context.
thats why i go with the internal discernment people can make on what they feel is "wrong" and "right" by themselves without any aid....not on what others have made up over thousands of years.
whether you think you're right or you think you're wrong, you're right. - henry ford
The original documents were destroyed by the Catholic purges. They did not want to know that the story of Noah was based on a king who had his lands flooded, and loaded all his wealth onto a boat to escape it.
Or that Moses was a rebellious Egyptian Nobel who just wanted to overthrow the government he was in because he was to far from the throne.
The last thing the church would want is the truth coming out. The little bits that are coming out now are shaking its foundations severely.
If you outlaw crack cocaine, only outlaws will have crack cocaine. If you outlaw guns, only outlaws will have guns.
Hmmm, Christians ascribe that 'internal discernment' as God working in their lives and speaking to them....
Better to keep your mouth shut and appear stupid than to open it and remove all doubt - Mark Twain
Is it not funny how everyone will just charge away without really giving it thought... Most ancient doc's you read are copies of copies of copies of... oh man please you are really fooled by technology ain't ye?....
What does technology have to do with any of this. Yet another Red Herring.
If you outlaw crack cocaine, only outlaws will have crack cocaine. If you outlaw guns, only outlaws will have guns.
Plenty
you are sitting in front of it son... that's why you confused yousellf with a red herring...
Guys lets keep it to the topic at hand or the thread will be closed....
Better to keep your mouth shut and appear stupid than to open it and remove all doubt - Mark Twain
Apologies
my apologies fivelza not the idea to get the thread closed.
Instead of trying to find reasons to write the bible of as a piece of junk...
Why not for a change go the opposite direction... are pple that afraid of truth?
If what you say was true well i basically turned my life to j esus 5 yrs ago, and all this revelation strengthened my believes rather than destroy it.
Check the church when persucuted it grew...when pampered it got fat and lazy. Follow the stories of christians in countries like pakistan and russia...
Look at Cho's church in korea...
This brings me back to my motorbike analogy a couple of posts earlier.
Fivelza : Will try keep the conversation on track. I think we are just waiting for sensible debate.
If you outlaw crack cocaine, only outlaws will have crack cocaine. If you outlaw guns, only outlaws will have guns.
fivelza , look at the church in acts 1v8 Jerusalem-Judea-Samaria-end of the earth. That was the actual instruction but did not occur until...
act 8v1 persecuted-Judea-Samaria,the jews were scattered with the consent of Paul and then only the church start to but under persecution...
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