Apple MacBook Neo - a $599 laptop

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Adenoid Hynkel said:
When every other OS you touch just crashes, the fault might be located somewhere between the chair and the keyboard.
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Microsoft Is Finally Making Windows 11 Less Terrible After Bloating It With AI Crap

Less Copilot, better search, and more taskbar customization are apparently in the pipeline.
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It’s been a long time coming, but Microsoft says it has some fixes in the pipeline that might make using Windows 11 less of a nightmare
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If everyone else including M$ is calling the OS a nightmare maybe just maybe it isn’t just me…
 
Smiggles said:
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Microsoft Is Finally Making Windows 11 Less Terrible After Bloating It With AI Crap

Less Copilot, better search, and more taskbar customization are apparently in the pipeline.
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If everyone else including M$ is calling the OS a nightmare maybe just maybe it isn’t just me…
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Windows 11 has issues.. Windows 10 still gets updates and is stable as a rock. If you’re making Linux crash too, that pretty clearly points to the clown operating the machine
 
Adenoid Hynkel said:
And lol, the same guy who used an iPhone for 30 days and then said it was full of bugs? :D
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Smiggles chooses when to like & quote this guy, and when not to - depending on content and how it suits his narrative
 
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MacBook Neo Silences Critics Over 8GB RAM Being Inadequate; Can Open 60 Apps In Unison While Windows Laptop Powers Off Performing The Same Task

A YouTube channel decided to take the MacBook Neo for an apps stress test and opened up 60 apps at the same time to see if that 8GB RAM will be sufficient
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The unified memory limitation on the MacBook Neo is present because of Apple’s decision to use the A18 Pro as part of its specifications, with the RAM being a part of the chipset’s packaging. Naturally, there will be some expectations as to the kind of tasks that can be carried out on this portable Mac, but opening a myriad of apps simultaneously isn’t one of them. One YouTube channel decided to take the machine for an ultimate memory stress test, and what’s surprising is that a larger, beefier Windows-powered notebook turned off when trying to perform something similar.

Running 60 apps on the MacBook Neo didn’t crash macOS, with video streaming also happening comfortably, putting an end to the cries that 8GB RAM is insufficient
Given that the MacBook Neo targets a certain class of customers, it is unlikely that they will go wild and fire up a multitude of apps in quick succession. However, Hardware Canucks aren’t like most users, and to see if that 8GB unified memory was enough, right off the bat, the YouTube channel opens up 60 apps. When the host tried to perform a similar operation on a Windows notebook that appears to be a Lenovo Legion, it powered off for some reason.
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Smiggles said:
wccftech.com

MacBook Neo Silences Critics Over 8GB RAM Being Inadequate; Can Open 60 Apps In Unison While Windows Laptop Powers Off Performing The Same Task

A YouTube channel decided to take the MacBook Neo for an apps stress test and opened up 60 apps at the same time to see if that 8GB RAM will be sufficient
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60 apps open is not the same as 60 apps running. macOS is good at hiding memory limits through compression/suspension/caching/swap etc. All his demo proves is that macOS can limp through low memory situations, not that 8GB is ideal. I’d rather see him open a browser with 20 to 30 tabs with content loaded, because that’s a much more realistic test. I’d bet that’s when you start seeing memory pressure warnings or the “your system has run out of application memory" yellow triangle to force quit some apps.

I’m not bashing the neo. It’s great value for entry level use. But the whole 8GB on a Mac is like 16GB on Windows claim is just nonsense. 8GB is 8GB, and no memory tricks change that.
 
Smiggles said:
Lol, if you can't see how 8GB of unified memory on the same package and shared by the CPU, GPU, and NPU is going to be much better and faster than an Intel CPU with separate RAM stick, then I can't help you.
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Unified memory improves efficiency, not capacity. It can make 8GB perform better than a typical old 8GB setup because there’s less overhead and faster sharing between CPU/GPU. But it does not make 8GB equal to 16GB.

And because CPU and GPU share the same pool, that 8GB gets used from more places, not fewer. So ya, unified memory is better design. No one denies that. 8GB is still 8GB though.

And the 256GB models will hit that yellow triangle even quicker. 8GB is already buggerall, and 256GB storage is too. Once those slower SSDs are 70%+ full, there’s barely any room left for Apple’s swap magic, so those Neos will run out of breathing space fast.
 
Adenoid Hynkel said:
I’m not bashing the neo. It’s great value for entry level use. But the whole 8GB on a Mac is like 16GB on Windows claim is just nonsense. 8GB is 8GB, and no memory tricks change that.
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True. Windows 10 and 11 also have memory compression, so it's not as though Mac OSX is unique in that.

The current Neo is not ideal. Next year they may release the A19 pro Neo with 12GB of RAM which will be a much better deal.
 
Adenoid Hynkel said:
Unified memory improves efficiency, not capacity. It can make 8GB perform better than a typical old 8GB setup because there’s less overhead and faster sharing between CPU/GPU. But it does not make 8GB equal to 16GB.
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Some people don't get physics. It's like this:

 
Adenoid Hynkel said:
Unified memory improves efficiency, not capacity. It can make 8GB perform better than a typical old 8GB setup because there’s less overhead and faster sharing between CPU/GPU. But it does not make 8GB equal to 16GB.

And because CPU and GPU share the same pool, that 8GB gets used from more places, not fewer. So ya, unified memory is better design. No one denies that. 8GB is still 8GB though.

And the 256GB models will hit that yellow triangle even quicker. 8GB is already buggerall, and 256GB storage is too. Once those slower SSDs are 70%+ full, there’s barely any room left for Apple’s swap magic, so those Neos will run out of breathing space fast.
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Weird used my M1 Air 8/256gb till last year and never saw that. Also don’t see Apple Memorygate in the headlines from the zillions of those machines out there.
 
Adenoid Hynkel said:
Unified memory improves efficiency, not capacity. It can make 8GB perform better than a typical old 8GB setup because there’s less overhead and faster sharing between CPU/GPU. But it does not make 8GB equal to 16GB.

And because CPU and GPU share the same pool, that 8GB gets used from more places, not fewer. So ya, unified memory is better design. No one denies that. 8GB is still 8GB though.

And the 256GB models will hit that yellow triangle even quicker. 8GB is already buggerall, and 256GB storage is too. Once those slower SSDs are 70%+ full, there’s barely any room left for Apple’s swap magic, so those Neos will run out of breathing space fast.
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