Cape Town's elderly targeted for selling baked goods, rental by-law claims

GrootVoet said:
I wonder if there is not something more to this story that is not told?
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Jan said:
Statement from Alderman Eddie Andrews, the City’s Deputy Mayor and Mayoral Committee for Spatial Planning and Environment:

The City received complaints from the community in Hanover Park about homeowners who are operating small businesses from their homes.

The City investigated these complaints and then served notices on owners who were found to be contravening the zoning of their properties.

The zoning determines what a property may be used for, for example for residential purposes or for a business and all residents across Cape Town must comply with the zoning of their properties. All properties are assigned zoning categories that regulate what types of development and activities are permitted on them. Zoning is necessary to ensure that land is used in a way that is safe, organised and compatible with the surrounding area.

The same laws and by-laws apply equally to all residents, regardless of their circumstances, or the neighbourhood.

There is a solution to this challenge.

Residents who want to operate a house shop from their homes can submit a land use application to the City for assessment in terms of the Municipal Planning By-law. Should the City approve this application, the applicant must comply with the relevant conditions applicable to that approval.

We invite residents to please go to this link: Applications and submissions (capetown.gov.za) for more information about how to apply for permission to operate a house shop.

Residents can also phone the Development Management Cape Flats Hub office on 021 401 4702 or email [email protected] for applications and assistance.
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It seems locals were up in arms about the people renting part of their properties to Somalians running spaza shops and then the grannies baking got caught in the snare. Either someone was being a Karen about the Somalians or the Somalians were being cnts which I have noticed they can be, they don't give 2 shts for anyone and that may have raised the ire of locals. I’d probably also not take kindly to that happening, if it was a local person running a spaza shop from their own house perhaps different story but some random foreigners who have a penchant for selling poisonous chips to kids perhaps not.

The article in the op says this:
"He alleged that enforcement efforts initially focused on landlords renting space to Somali shop owners before expanding to other informal traders in the area."
 
vigras rojara said:
Sure, no system is perfect. I'd guess you'd have got sick a lot more often if it was a free for all though.

I agree that there should be some kind of threshold that exempts occasional or small scale traders. How that would be formalised is another matter.
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You are busy building your own strawman here.
I am not against common sense food safety or for having a free for all.

If you buy a vetkoek from even the worst street vendor they should have used normal ingredients for such a thing and if they try and ad chalk or rat poison to it they belong in jail.
 
Nerfherder said:
and if people complained then it was most likely the latter.
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People complained about Somalis settings up spaza shops on every street corner.

The City chose to target grannies baking koeksusters and are probably not taking action against all the Somalis.

This is a really bad look.


I don't even think taking action against the spaza shops are valid. The majority of the community support it and it is economically viable. If the people didn't want it it wouldn't exist. It is ugly but hanover park looks like a shíthole anyway.
 
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saturnz said:
typical way to justify an action

how do we know they received complaints?
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We read....


https://mybroadband.co.za/forum/goto/post?id=34393653
The City received complaints from the community in Hanover Park about homeowners who are operating small businesses from their homes.

The City investigated these complaints and then served notices on owners who were found to be contravening the zoning of their properties.
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So it wasn't Karen's from Constantia... it was other people living in the community.

and yes, it possibly was out of spite but more than likely it was because it was a nuisance.
 
Jan said:
Statement from Alderman Eddie Andrews, the City’s Deputy Mayor and Mayoral Committee for Spatial Planning and Environment:

The City received complaints from the community in Hanover Park about homeowners who are operating small businesses from their homes.

The City investigated these complaints and then served notices on owners who were found to be contravening the zoning of their properties.

The zoning determines what a property may be used for, for example for residential purposes or for a business and all residents across Cape Town must comply with the zoning of their properties. All properties are assigned zoning categories that regulate what types of development and activities are permitted on them. Zoning is necessary to ensure that land is used in a way that is safe, organised and compatible with the surrounding area.

The same laws and by-laws apply equally to all residents, regardless of their circumstances, or the neighbourhood.

There is a solution to this challenge.

Residents who want to operate a house shop from their homes can submit a land use application to the City for assessment in terms of the Municipal Planning By-law. Should the City approve this application, the applicant must comply with the relevant conditions applicable to that approval.

We invite residents to please go to this link: Applications and submissions (capetown.gov.za) for more information about how to apply for permission to operate a house shop.

Residents can also phone the Development Management Cape Flats Hub office on 021 401 4702 or email [email protected] for applications and assistance.
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If you look at the area every single open space surrounding the shitty 2 story flat things are covered in makeshift buildings/shacks probably not up to code or on any plans.

There's just so much wrong and they chose the dumbest angle to attack it.
 
rietrot said:
People complained about Somalis settings up spaza shops on every street corner.

The City chose to target grannies baking koeksusters and are probably not taking action against all the Somalis.
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Are we sure ?
I think when Somalis get targeted there is no one listening to their complaints.
rietrot said:
This is a really bad look.
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Its a bad look because people want to MAKE it look like something bad is happening.
rietrot said:
I don't even think taking action against the spaza shops are valid. The majority of the community support it and it is economically viable. If the people didn't want it it wouldn't exist. It is ugly but hanover park looks like a shíthole anyway.
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Its a problem in these communities, they do have to live with what they have. There is no mad rush to gentrify Hanover Park.
Necessity does override laws, so because they need an income they just do what they can.
The fact that someone complained and the city actioned it.... means it was most likely a LOT of people complaining.

I live in a more affluent suburb than Hanover park and we have a literal crack house on our road. The entire neighbourhood had to complain before the city took action.
 
saturnz said:
my point still stands, this is what the City is saying, how can this be verified to be true?
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Given the information its the most logical explanation.

Almost shows a prejudice that you would just assume it's not the case.


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Here is my guess on what is happening. An old couple is living on a sizable property\house and they rent it out to someone who is now running a business off the property. There are trucks coming at all hours, blocking the road and making a noise.
 
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Nerfherder said:
Are we sure ?
I think when Somalis get targeted there is no one listening to their complaints.

Its a bad look because people want to MAKE it look like something bad is happening.

Its a problem in these communities, they do have to live with what they have. There is no mad rush to gentrify Hanover Park.
Necessity does override laws, so because they need an income they just do what they can.
The fact that someone complained and the city actioned it.... means it was most likely a LOT of people complaining.

I live in a more affluent suburb than Hanover park and we have a literal crack house on our road. The entire neighbourhood had to complain before the city took action.
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These poor neighborhoods have two problems. Crime and poverty.

You don't fix that by targeting small-scale entrepreneurs. That is the worst thing you can do.

If only they targeted a crack-house it would have been a different story. This is exactly my point. It doesn't matter who or how many people complained. 1 valid complaint should be enough and 1000 stupid complaints should be ignored.

Priorities.
 
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Nerfherder said:
Given the information its the most logical explanation.

Almost shows a prejudice that you would just assume it's not the case.
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"everything the government says is a lie, everything it owns is stolen" Nietzsche

if you want to use logic, Nietzsche was a philosopher

the kind of person who used reason and logic

so when a government makes a claim that I cannot verify, I assume it to be false, thats the logical thing to do
 
saturnz said:
"everything the government says is a lie, everything it owns is stolen" Nietzsche

if you want to use logic, Nietzsche was a philosopher

the kind of person who use reason and logic

so when a government makes a claim that I cannot verify, I assume it to be false, thats the logical thing to do
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Geez. You can verify the claim that someone complained. Someone always complains, it isn't unreasonable to think there might have been a complaint.
 
Nerfherder said:
Given the information its the most logical explanation.

Almost shows a prejudice that you would just assume it's not the case.


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Here is my guess on what is happening. An old couple is living on a sizable property\house and they rent it out to someone who is now running a business off the property. There are trucks coming at all hours, blocking the road and making a noise.
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You are making up BS. Just look at the area on maps. There isn't one sizable property/house in it that can accommodate truck loads of anything.
 
Cray said:
Sounds like a "you" problem, having to independantly verify every little thing the government says sounds exhausting.
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as stated in this thread, there are drug houses on streets that are "complained" about and nothing happens

this is Hanover Park, where drug houses are quite common, but the government sits around doing very little about that

common sense suggests people in Hanover Park would more than likely complain about drugs and gangsters than about old people baking cookies
 
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