‘Bantustan Bills’ trample on the rights of rural people

[BandwidthAddict]

Yip it's just a farce so they can say they met their legal obligation to consult the community. It's a waste of time just like all these commissions they establish to investigate crap that went down.

Yep, South Africa is a tyranny. With the Western world falling to corruption and becoming primitives, the other primitive clans are reverting back to the forms they are comfortable with. In the past, civilized people would band together and go on a "trek" but there isn't anywhere on Earth left to go. The only real option is to recover the US and expunge the evil. If that fails, it's back to the dark ages but this time with advanced technology and weapons, who knows how long it will take to recover, if ever.

 

[SmartKit]

They'd first need to do that before passing this bill so they don't intend on doing so. And a change to the bill of rights will not receive support from the fake champions of the people.

Bill of rights requires a 75% majority in Parliament. Thank goodness.

 

[SmartKit]

So now we care about rural people?

I guess, not particularly. However the precedent is what should be challenged.

 

[Nanfeishen]

So now we care about rural people?

Maybe we should simply care about fellow citizens being screwed over by corrupt leaders at any and all levels of government.

 

[ponder]

Maybe we should simply care about fellow citizens being screwed over by corrupt leaders at any and all levels of government.

I have zero sympathy for those that elected said leaders.

 

[Nanfeishen]

I have zero sympathy for those that elected said leaders.

Right , lets not care about people because a particular political party just happens to have got the majority of votes in a particular area.
What a sad and pathetic outlook on giving an actual fsck when people are being screwed over by government.

 

[ShaunSA]

Right , lets not care about people because a particular political party just happens to have got the majority of votes in a particular area.
What a sad and pathetic outlook on giving an actual fsck when people are being screwed over by government.

The same government that they voted for time and time again? Notafok!

 

[Milano]

The current bill compels the 18 million South Africans living in the boundaries of the former homelands to subject themselves to a legal system where traditional leaders are accorded coercive powers that surpass any that chiefs had during colonialism and apartheid.

It obliges these citizens to appear before traditional courts once summoned, and makes it virtually impossible for them to opt out of these courts. This creates a segregated system of justice.

The Traditional and Khoi-San Leadership Bill (TKLB) – the second of the so-called Bantustan Bills, which has already been passed by the National Assembly and the NCOP and is awaiting signature by President Cyril Ramaphosa – authorises traditional leaders to enter into investment deals with third parties without the consent of the people whose land rights stand to be dispossessed.

No such powers existed under colonialism or apartheid, nor do they exist in terms of customary law, which is inherently consensual. The bill fails to include any process of expropriation or compensation for people who may lose their homes and livelihoods as a result of decisions made by traditional leaders.

This will be especially interesting if the current bill gets approved by the council of provinces. The ANC may have underestimated the anger of those 18 million people when they eventually actually realise that they have effectively been given the status of second class citizens.

 

[Temujin]

With unexplained haste

Quite simple really... one 'royal' just bought some fancy cars... the rest are now jelly and need to loot cash from their subject to out do him

 

[ForceFate]

No, the concourt does not ratify bills and it also cannot and will not interfere in the process of parliament creating bills. The only stage at which the concourt can consider the constitutionality of a bill is after it has been enacted into law before it becomes enforced. If it does not meet constitutional muster they will rule as such and refer it back to gov.

Secondly the bill of rights already recognises customary law and the role of traditional leaders.

When it eventually gets to the concourt they will evaluate the bill against the bill of rights to determine conflicts etc.

I don't see the gov trying to change the constitution to support this bill, they're going with the mindset that the constitution already supports it under the bill of rights wrt customary law.

I was referring to the Bill of rights but I see it needs the upper and lower house votes only.

 

[ponder]

Right , lets not care about people because a particular political party just happens to have got the majority of votes in a particular area.
What a sad and pathetic outlook on giving an actual fsck when people are being screwed over by government.

Read my post again and apply some comprehension.

 

[SoldierMan]

Man!! Here is me thinking something like this would never be able to happen in the new South Africa ever again.
But then I remember who is in power... the ANC!! And it all seems possible now.

So, it's back to the 'King and serf' system for some. How nice...

The struggles of the Xolobeni community to preserve their homes and land on the Wild Coast from loss to an Australian mining company that has been found guilty of environmental transgressions on the West Coast have been relatively well documented. A traditional leader claims to be their sole legal representative while also serving as a director in the local partner to the Australian mining company. At least three anti-mining activists have died in Xolobeni. No arrests have followed.

In November 2018, King Ndamase Ndamase of Western Pondoland signed a lease with a Chinese investment company in which he undertook to clear all the inhabitants from a 30km stretch of coastline around Port St Johns, in exchange for the low rent of R1-million per year.

 

[Supervan II]

So, it's back to the 'King and serf' system for some. How nice...

And meanwhile:

Pule Mabe: ANC leads the way in keeping democracy alive

Can't make this ssshit up!

 

[Milano]

Man!! Here is me thinking something like this would never be able to happen in the new South Africa ever again.
But then I remember who is in power... the ANC!! And it all seems possible now.

So, it's back to the 'King and serf' system for some. How nice...

It is entirely unbelievable that this can be happening to 18 million people in 2019.

 

[Tokolotshe]

Right , lets not care about people because a particular political party just happens to have got the majority of votes in a particular area.
What a sad and pathetic outlook on giving an actual fsck when people are being screwed over by government.

Nope. We dare not lance that boil as it may hurt the people. The people are also to afraid to lance that boil. In the meantime it's poisoning them.

 

[SoldierMan]

So what, the people just gonna lie down and take the implementation of these unconstitutional laws?

If it was white people doing it to black people, there would be outrage, but because it's black on black no one seems to care. It that why Africa is in the state it's in?

 

[MachoPants]

So what, the people just gonna lie down and take the implementation of these unconstitutional laws?

If it was white people doing it to black people, there would be outrage, but because it's black on black no one seems to care. It that why Africa is in the state it's in?

In the 1960's farmers jn KZN had to employ workers that the leaders approved to do the job, these workers had a document that said they work at this place for this person, approved by this tribal/traditional leader. The worker had to pay a stipend tax to the leader from the wages/earnings they received. The leader headman elder whatever received income also from the NP government. Yay, doubleb income for doing squat. I wonder if that will be incorporated into this bill as well

 

[Tokolotshe]

In the 1960's farmers jn KZN had to employ workers that the leaders approved to do the job, these workers had a document that said they work at this place for this person, approved by this tribal/traditional leader. The worker had to pay a stipend tax to the leader from the wages/earnings they received. The leader headman elder whatever received income also from the NP government. Yay, doubleb income for doing squat. I wonder if that will be incorporated into this bill as well

Same in Lebowa. If you wanted people to assist with tasks on your farm, you went to the captain/chief, saying how many people you wanted and when. You'd be asked how much you're paying. Come the day you need the people to help, you'd arrive and they'd be waiting.

Bypass this procedure and you'd be in hurt.

 

[MachoPants]

Same in Lebowa. If you wanted people to assist with tasks on your farm, you went to the captain/chief, saying how many people you wanted and when. You'd be asked how much you're paying. Come the day you need the people to help, you'd arrive and they'd be waiting.

Bypass this procedure and you'd be in hurt.

WTF would anyone actually want to do this serf system to another human being again is despicable

 

[MachoPants]

So what, the people just gonna lie down and take the implementation of these unconstitutional laws?

If it was white people doing it to black people, there would be outrage, but because it's black on black no one seems to care. It that why Africa is in the state it's in?

If you are elite then you can pass the traditional rule to those less fortunate, maybe that's the thinking to control the poorest and ensure endless votes. Dictators much.....