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‘Broadband over Power Lines’ trial to start soon in Johannesburg
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Silent_Bob
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i think the speeds will be good, ie, look at the international sites and see what they are offering. good 2 hear tho!
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Yes, geat, it good news to come up with these new initiatives, but looking at the area where they will be running the pilot, how many people in that area know what broadband is, how many households have computers, that are spec to connect to the Internet ? I am all for upliftment, but comeon this is a disservice and underminds these people.
Yes, geat, it good news to come up with these new initiatives, but looking at the area where they will be running the pilot, how many people in that area know what broadband is, how many households have computers, that are spec to connect to the Internet ? I am all for upliftment, but comeon this is a disservice and underminds these people.
I fail to see why SA is "experimenting" with all these different technologies, and wasting money in the process.
In rural areas, and areas where DSL is not available, I understand why they are using them, but copper line covers most of SA, government should be pushing DSL to the masses.
Why does government not force Telkom to make DSL available in Soweto at a reasonable price, instead of pushing things like Sentech?
In rural areas, and areas where DSL is not available, I understand why they are using them, but copper line covers most of SA, government should be pushing DSL to the masses.
Why does government not force Telkom to make DSL available in Soweto at a reasonable price, instead of pushing things like Sentech?
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Hi Rsachocrsachoc said:
This is a CoJ (Citi Power) Specific trial, and they do not have access to the local loop. If they can therefore use their current wired infrastructure to provide cheaper broadband to rural (or any for that matter) areas it will be great. Competition!
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RPM
Telecoms costs should have been such that power companies would hnot have been tempted into "last mile" telecoms services.
Telkom's rediculous rates are causing a lot of money to be wasted in alternative systems.
Nobody should have dreamt of using BPL as a primary "last mile" solution.
The same for the gaps MyWi and iBurst are trying to exploit. It is a waste of precious capital that should never have happened. Telkom is to be blamed for these wastages!
If you have a look at the rest of Africa, I'm sure that a substantial part of the poverty can be blamed on inefficient use of capital.
Telkom's rediculous rates are causing a lot of money to be wasted in alternative systems.
Nobody should have dreamt of using BPL as a primary "last mile" solution.
The same for the gaps MyWi and iBurst are trying to exploit. It is a waste of precious capital that should never have happened. Telkom is to be blamed for these wastages!
If you have a look at the rest of Africa, I'm sure that a substantial part of the poverty can be blamed on inefficient use of capital.
rpm said:
Remember guys, these cables go everywhere in South Africa. Maybe where they are wanting to do their tests is not vialbe as they will not really get the true results.
I am sure the speeds are very fast, from what I understand they have fibre running through the power lines so just need to split the data from the power. I am very sure that once the testing phaze is done, it will become open to everyone. No having to phone up and say is it available in my town, simple answer, do you have power ???
I read an article a long time ago (+5 yrs) that Eskom was roling out digital power lines. The technology has been around for a long time with the option of providing such a service on the horison. It has only been lately that the service has come into swing, although some people speculate that the frequency is too low and that the power travelling through will interfere with the date.
We shall just have to wait and see, I for one am all for this, I think it is very exciting times in the industry and cannot wait to see what the future holds.
Insert of article from another site
http://www.eu-esis.org/Alternative/UKaltQ8.htm
1.1 Power-line communications
In October 1997, United Utilities (owners of the electricity suppliers Norweb) and Northern Telecom of Canada announced that they had developed a system for sending data along power lines without excessive distortion by interference. The initial application is the provision of Internet services, with a flat tariff for unlimited use.
On March 25 1998, it was announced that 10 international utilities, in 7 European and South-East Asian countries, had licensed the technology, and that talks were continuing with a number of other companies. At the same time, Nortel and United Utilities announced the formation of a joint company NOR.WEB DPL to market their Digital Power Lines technology with 200 homes being connected by the end of 1998. Access will initially be confined in the geographical areas currently supplied by the newly formed company, although investment is being targeted at extending the network.
The technology involves the use of fibre-optic or radio links to deliver the data to local electricity sub-stations, whence it is transmitted through the low-voltage electricity network to a box adjacent to the domestic electricity meter, which in turn is connected to a personal computer. The local lines delivering power to the home or office thus "double-up" as data carriers, and as such provide direct competition to the current sole owner of the local loop, BT. Up to 1Mb/s of data can be carried, which is up to 10 times faster than information carried over ISDN lines. A trial in Manchester was completed in March 1998, and in November 1998 Norweb announced that six electricity substations were ‘network ready’ – meaning that over 1500 customers are within reach. The full service is planned for roll-out in early 1999.
The system could, it is thought, also provide a voice telephony service, although as a commercial application this is likely to be some way off. If successful, however, the impact on BT and the cable companies could be very considerable
I am sure the speeds are very fast, from what I understand they have fibre running through the power lines so just need to split the data from the power. I am very sure that once the testing phaze is done, it will become open to everyone. No having to phone up and say is it available in my town, simple answer, do you have power ???
I read an article a long time ago (+5 yrs) that Eskom was roling out digital power lines. The technology has been around for a long time with the option of providing such a service on the horison. It has only been lately that the service has come into swing, although some people speculate that the frequency is too low and that the power travelling through will interfere with the date.
We shall just have to wait and see, I for one am all for this, I think it is very exciting times in the industry and cannot wait to see what the future holds.
Insert of article from another site
http://www.eu-esis.org/Alternative/UKaltQ8.htm
1.1 Power-line communications
In October 1997, United Utilities (owners of the electricity suppliers Norweb) and Northern Telecom of Canada announced that they had developed a system for sending data along power lines without excessive distortion by interference. The initial application is the provision of Internet services, with a flat tariff for unlimited use.
On March 25 1998, it was announced that 10 international utilities, in 7 European and South-East Asian countries, had licensed the technology, and that talks were continuing with a number of other companies. At the same time, Nortel and United Utilities announced the formation of a joint company NOR.WEB DPL to market their Digital Power Lines technology with 200 homes being connected by the end of 1998. Access will initially be confined in the geographical areas currently supplied by the newly formed company, although investment is being targeted at extending the network.
The technology involves the use of fibre-optic or radio links to deliver the data to local electricity sub-stations, whence it is transmitted through the low-voltage electricity network to a box adjacent to the domestic electricity meter, which in turn is connected to a personal computer. The local lines delivering power to the home or office thus "double-up" as data carriers, and as such provide direct competition to the current sole owner of the local loop, BT. Up to 1Mb/s of data can be carried, which is up to 10 times faster than information carried over ISDN lines. A trial in Manchester was completed in March 1998, and in November 1998 Norweb announced that six electricity substations were ‘network ready’ – meaning that over 1500 customers are within reach. The full service is planned for roll-out in early 1999.
The system could, it is thought, also provide a voice telephony service, although as a commercial application this is likely to be some way off. If successful, however, the impact on BT and the cable companies could be very considerable
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morebroadband
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I attended a conference where Grintek demonstrated an experiment (Broadband over power Lines) the were conducting in Pretoria. This was very exciting and there talking about speeds starting at 2mbps and upgraded to 4mb in a 12 month window.
The fact that people don't have computers in Alex does not mater in the least. These houses or even shacks don't have telephone lines, but do have power. They will now have access to the internet, with very cheap computers that may even be donated. These computers will run of Ubuntu or the like (FREE) and they will be able to make free VOIP calls to other users and much lower priced VOIP calls to Telkom landlines or Cell phones.
We need to start thinking out of the box here guys, if we are ever to get the whole nation to join the digital revolution.
I say the more broadband options/strategies and even failures the better - at least people are showing initiative and doing something about the pathetic situation........
The fact that people don't have computers in Alex does not mater in the least. These houses or even shacks don't have telephone lines, but do have power. They will now have access to the internet, with very cheap computers that may even be donated. These computers will run of Ubuntu or the like (FREE) and they will be able to make free VOIP calls to other users and much lower priced VOIP calls to Telkom landlines or Cell phones.
We need to start thinking out of the box here guys, if we are ever to get the whole nation to join the digital revolution.
I say the more broadband options/strategies and even failures the better - at least people are showing initiative and doing something about the pathetic situation........
morebroadband
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jeinnor30.......I agree with you 100%
Thanks Morebroadband, I also agree with you about thinking out of the box. We need to continue to band together but try not complain too much. Push where we need to push and say Thank You where we need to say Thank You.
We need to inform the public out there what they can have and why they cannot get it
. We need to make them want voip and broadband sooooo bad, they need to believe they need it. They must have it. They must join our fight and let us as the True New South Africa, stand together.
We need to inform the public out there what they can have and why they cannot get it
. We need to make them want voip and broadband sooooo bad, they need to believe they need it. They must have it. They must join our fight and let us as the True New South Africa, stand together.
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Sounds like it could be promising. Does anyone know stats on interference/costs?
What are you ppl talking about ? The SNO is using FIBRE, not PLC. The cables are on the grounding wires of power lines not the power lines themselves. The SNO is also still busy deciding if the last mile should be wireless or not.
But besides this, ITS ABOUT BLOODY TIME !!!!!!
But besides this, ITS ABOUT BLOODY TIME !!!!!!
morebroadband
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R4tt3xx,
You may have your wires crossed. No one has said that SNO will be implementing this test in Alex! The city council is doing this.
There are other players out there that have been testing broadband over powerlines for a long time. I know Grintek have been, and they put a lot of money into this too!
Grintek was doing trials with Eskom and the City councils. I know that Eskom is part of the SNO, but this trial was outside of the SNO agreement, as far as I understand.
Again I say the more companies providing broadband, no matter what type, the more Telkom will feel the pressure to drop prices.
You may have your wires crossed. No one has said that SNO will be implementing this test in Alex! The city council is doing this.
There are other players out there that have been testing broadband over powerlines for a long time. I know Grintek have been, and they put a lot of money into this too!
Grintek was doing trials with Eskom and the City councils. I know that Eskom is part of the SNO, but this trial was outside of the SNO agreement, as far as I understand.
Again I say the more companies providing broadband, no matter what type, the more Telkom will feel the pressure to drop prices.