‘Free Jacob Zuma’ protests take fiery turn as 25 trucks burnt in KZN

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SAPPI LIMITED – Update on impact of civil unrest in South Africa on Sappi’s South African operations​

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Although the Port of Durban has resumed operations, it is anticipated that export deliveries could be negatively impacted for an extended period due to congestion and limited availability of vessel space. This will likely result in protracted delays for dissolving pulp exports.

The financial impact of the temporary closures and associated ramp-up of production at the three mills is a permanent loss of sales volumes of approximately 28 000 tons of dissolving pulp and 7 000 tons of paper with an expected negative impact on EBITDA of approximately R220 million (US$16 million) on the Sappi fourth quarter results.
 

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This was expected though.

Yes, but you have to wonder how many detainees are still wrapped up in their court processes. To quote Lamola,

Lamola, however, said no person involved in the looting and violence would evade justice.

with the keyword being, "involved". I don't believe that many will be sentenced. To nail people in 'looting' your gathered evidence needs to stick to the person, place and time related to the crime, and I do expect the court to be sympathetic in regard to cases where poverty is evident.

Though I support the law processes 100%, I do believe that priority should be given to more pressing matters. The courts there are now dumped in dockets because the state reacted too late. Just like interviews, the stacks will be lightened.
 

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Mthunzi Mhaga, the special director of public prosecutions in National Director of Public Prosecutions Shamila Batohi’s office, would not give details of the allegations that Mchunu used a private jet to travel between the two provinces, because it forms part of the investigation and will have a bearing on the National Prosecuting Authority (NPA’s) decision to oppose bail.

”I don’t want to comment on the issue of insurrection. We are confining ourselves with evidence that points to the commission of the offence of incitement to commit public violence,” Mhaga said.

“There are investigations that are at an advanced stage in respect of a number of instigators but, for now, according to law enforcement, they have arrested about six but those that have appeared in court… (are) four… including Mr Mchunu.”

Mhaga said information that would help the NPA oppose bail was outstanding.

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”Evidence that we have relate to utterances that he made during the press conference that he held. In terms of masterminding it, I am not able to comment at this stage because there is a wide range of investigations that are conducted which might lead to more charges being added.”

He said the NPA was convinced that there was no dispute over the meaning of Mchunu’s rallying cry “ayikhale!”.
”We have accessed the video that was recorded during the press conference, we have had a translator of Zulu and we are convinced that the words that he used amount to the commission of an offence of incitement to commit public violence,” Mhaga said .


Former #FeesMustFall activist and spokesperson for Mchunu’s family, Bonginkosi Khanyile, said that the way in which the court had handled the matter had left them dumbfounded.

”And if the court is going to continue to deal with this matter we are very worried whether justice is going to be served,” he said.

It seems his arrest is not related to using IM services, but more to his publicly published videos. The man runs also runs his own YouTube channel.

At this stage, no real perpetrators and no common cause. Nothing at this stage is legally hinting at an insurrection other than political speak.
 

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According to the party’s Uthukela constituency head and MP, Alf Lees, the man was apparently arrested nine days ago. He allegedly appeared on a video burning tyres on the N11 on 9 July and was arrested on 12 July while burning tyres.

“The alleged criminal and terrorist actions of the suspect have contributed to the destruction of property, massive damage to the economy and the loss of jobs in the Uthukela district. He must face the harshest consequences that the law can impose, if found guilty,” Lees said in a statement.

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He said the ANCYL leader appeared to work at the Alfred Duma Local Municipality, and his case was apparently transferred to the provincial South African Police Service (Saps).

“The DA is concerned about the reasons for the transfer and that the case may not receive the immediate and full consideration that it deserves. I will write to the [national] police commissioner, Khehla Sitole, to request that the case be handled by a senior police investigator and that it be prioritised to ensure that all the relevant evidence is gathered for the court to consider his conviction.”

Lees said it was astounding that the ANC was silent and had not condemned the actions of its member.

An anarchist, but an alleged instigator amongst the 12 wanted suspects? I doubt it, could be, but the court proceedings regarding some are clouded in mystery, and it seems that the DJ is being made the public example.

What we have at this time is an avid Jacob Zuma radio supporter and a Patriotic Alliance member, and some other oddities.

I would guess this ANCYL leader to be deemed as a normal arrest amongst the +2550 arrests since July 19th.

What Lees needs to ponder is whether the acts by this ANCYL was revolutionary or counter-revolutionary, because that is how the ANC deals with their own.
 

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I am glad someone said this, a view which accommodates mine,


1) There was no insurrection. We all know that the police cannot cope with large crowds and that as part of a mob it is possible to loot and burn with impunity. Happens every day in violent service delivery protests and xenophobic looting sprees.


2) The arrest of Jacob Zuma was always going to lead to protest in KZN, there was 8 days warning, more than enough time to organise a looting spree through Whstsapp networks. Which is how all service protests are organised. The systems are already in place.

3) It doesn’t take a genius to know that there is no way that police could respond. The SAPS can’t respond in ordinary times, what prospect if the looting/protest is wide spread? There was plenty of time for organised criminals to prepare to hijack trucks and rob ATM’s.

4) Little surprise it started at the Mooi River toll road, the anti-foreign driver gangs have been doing it there for several years now and looting is the underlying driver for its persistence. That was the signal the local structures needed and they did not waste time.

5) A pathetically weak response to the first days looting was an invitation to those who had reservations. It was a case of join in or lose out. Grannies and small children were summonsed to help carry away the loot. There was no effective police presence anywhere.

6) The cause of the widespread looting is simple, it’s a weak and ineffective police force. People know that they are useless. Mobs and criminals rampage with impunity every day. Burning of schools, busses, trucks and of public infrastructure is a daily occurrence.

7) One of the reasons that the police are so ineffective is that the “protest” organisers and criminals are entrenched in the tri-partite alliance, SANCO, the business forums, the taxi and water tanker mafia, they are all political power brokers. Local ANC leaders won’t touch them.

8) And the police will not either, at local, provincial and national level, police take direction from their politicial masters. The specialised units that used to take on organised crime and provide public order policing were disbanded or sterilized.

9) Once the state loses its monopoly on force and people lose their respect and fear for its police and military, other more sinister forces step into the vacuum, namely organised crime. Gangster unions, smugglers of illicit goods and protection rackets are already on a roll.

In the case there was an insurrection, coup or attempted insurrection, the NPA would have already championed a common cause. The looting spree was urged on by some social media personalities, but they should be labelled as anarchists, and it is this anarchy which drives their ideologies to achieve their means to a political rebirth, and subsequent attempt at revolution in the long-term.

Ultimately, in my view, the looting spree was leveraged to damage Ramaphosa's presidential reputation and 'good' standing, and Ramaphosa's response to the anarchy may allow the opponents to exploit mitigation mechanisms like the new Fund, policies, and other schemes which is applied and or allocated to rebuild the damage. They toppled Ramaphosa's rise... The question is whether these opponents will seize the moment at the ANC's presidential election?

The result at this time is a 'strengthened' racial and economic divide. I do expect our Happiness Index to take a sharp dive. It is troubling, sad.

One person's counter-revolutionary another person's revolutionary.

Just my 2c.
 

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Simultaneous looting taking place at multiple locations across the Province sounds like planned and coordinated to me.

Yes, as Spoor said,

2) The arrest of Jacob Zuma was always going to lead to protest in KZN, there was 8 days warning, more than enough time to organise a looting spree through Whstsapp networks. Which is how all service protests are organised. The systems are already in place.

but how is a looting spree an insurrection? In my view, Ramaphosa's opponents would want to legally win him in an election.

The state acted late,


No common cause to overthrow the state, then no insurrection. Unless you are politically gullible. The ANC is also in a PR campaign to mitigate their accountability.
 

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Simultaneous looting taking place at multiple locations across the Province sounds like planned and coordinated to me.

Yup, it absolutely was coordinated. I mean they damaged the fire lines and hoses before setting the buildings on fire.
 

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I tried Woolworths' even, it was no match. I will try Orange Grove. Not too sure I have seen it, though, maybe I have but because it was never on my radar I didn't take notice.
 

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Yup, it absolutely was coordinated. I mean they damaged the fire lines and hoses before setting the buildings on fire.

Yet all organised crime is in its very essence coordinated, but these riots has been classed an insurrection and at a time it was said not to be one it was backtracked on.


Speaking to the media in Durban at the SAPS Training Academy in Chatsworth, Mapisa-Nqakula made a U-turn saying she was not trying to go against the president.

"The president has spoken. It was an attempted insurrection. I confined myself to (the term) counter-revolutionary but ultimately, remember, any element of counter-revolution ultimately may as well lead to insurrection in a country," she added.

Again, as Spoor said,

3) It doesn’t take a genius to know that there is no way that police could respond. The SAPS can’t respond in ordinary times, what prospect if the looting/protest is wide spread? There was plenty of time for organised criminals to prepare to hijack trucks and rob ATM’s.

4) Little surprise it started at the Mooi River toll road, the anti-foreign driver gangs have been doing it there for several years now and looting is the underlying driver for its persistence. That was the signal the local structures needed and they did not waste time.

5) A pathetically weak response to the first days looting was an invitation to those who had reservations. It was a case of join in or lose out. Grannies and small children were summonsed to help carry away the loot. There was no effective police presence anywhere.

the state needs to decide what this was and then punish the criminals accordingly.


Mthunzi Mhaga, the special director of public prosecutions in National Director of Public Prosecutions Shamila Batohi’s office...

”I don’t want to comment on the issue of insurrection. We are confining ourselves with evidence that points to the commission of the offence of incitement to commit public violence,” Mhaga said.

I don't believe that the NPA is convinced that this was an alleged attempt at an insurrection. For some reason, some legal/political commentators are comparing this to Trump's insurrection. No national key point or key services was attacked.

  • Widespread reports giving the impression that water and communications infrastructure was intentionally targeted during the unrest in KwaZulu-Natal and Gauteng have been proven false.
  • The municipalities in Durban and Pietermaritzburg, along with a water board, said no water treatment facility was attacked and set ablaze.
  • Communications infrastructure was affected because maintenance workers could not access sites.

This is all due to the police's poor response to the initial outbreaks. Ramaphosa even highlighted in the very beginning that people shouldn't spread stories... and here we are, one massive story later.

Incompetence, poor governance, bad practices, etc. YES! Insurrection, NO!

We want to convict anarchists and organised crime bosses. Ramaphosa's opponents capitalised on this.
 
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