‘Hitler committed no crime’: fury after UCT lecturer hails Nazi madman

rambo919

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What you are saying sounds a lot like this -



You can't provide any facts or cite any references to your claims. Just vague assertions about how they have thwarted your people.

That rhetoric sounds very familiar.
Great you cracked the code... I am literally Hitler.... heil ME.
 

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Well you want to blame Apartheid but not the guys that started it. Yip maybe read the below.

"The group that split from Hertzog went on to form a Purified Nationalist Party under the leadership of Dr. Daniel F. Malan. This party forged links with the Nazis in 1933.

This began with the dispatch of young intellectuals to study Nazi ideology and organizational tactics. Among these young intellectuals were Hendrik Verwoerd, Ebenezer Donges and W. W. M. Eiselen, who jointly on their return fashioned apartheid and also developed structures that paralleled the Nazi SS and Brown Shirts in the form of the Osse-waar-brandtwag and the Gray Shirts.
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Yip if it wasnt for the Nazis, and for the hatred of the English. There probably wouldnt have been Apartheid the way we had it. Even after WW2 he sent a contingent to bring Aryan kids to SA for a future Nazi state.

The eldest one was part of the chemical warfare against the Africans locally. Worked with Dr Death.

There is no way you can say Hitler didnt do anything. He destroyed the world and will keep doing so for eons and eons to come.
 

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Why should I look it up? You said "Not every German was a Nazi and not every Nazi was a German". Now you change it to "fighting for Hitler". Italy fought with Germany; they weren't Nazis but still complicit in fighting with Germany. Will you change it next to benefited from the German occupation? Or those who didn't fight in the war but received money from the Nazi government or worked for the German government or indirectly benefited?

People do things they benefit from. It might be murder, rape, theft, corruption or not be truthful on your tax forms. It might be tenders with false information or claiming social check when you don't qualify. It might be indirectly benefiting. There is no black and white, Nazi or non-Nazi, supremist or non-supremist. People turn on a dime to the next thing that benefits them. The world where you are either good or evil doesn't exist. If people can get away with the unethical or immoral thing that improve their life or they benefit from, they will.

People like this UCT university prof want you to live in this world of extremes where whites are evil and black people are victims. Both you and him are wrong. There are no extremes. A German can be a concentration guard and after the war be a humanitarian or a family man. No one will be the wiser. You saying "Not every German was a Nazi and not every Nazi was a German" is pointless. All Germans would benefit if Germany won the war. Today a German would not benefit but be stigmatized if they speaking up against refugee crime. That is why they don't. People do things they benefit from.
Not all Germans would benefit. Many opposed Hitler and would end up dead. Also a lot of Germans were Jews too, or Gypsies, or disabled etc. Hitler massacred Germans too.

The only people that would have gained anything, those that support his ideology.
 

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So Europe is socialistic but the Nazis were not :unsure:
I haven't seen any evidence to prove the Nazis were socialists other in name(propaganda).
The line between nationalism and fascism is also very blurry but the Nazis were fascists.
Socialism why?
It was a joke based on what I saw initially in the thread, because people use socialism/communism or refugees/immigrants interchangeable to push their agenda. Illegal refugees aren't a thing.
Anything on either extreme will fail, Venezuela as example totally relied on their natural resources to fund their public programs where Norway took a much better approach.
Germany's economy is strong because their capitalistic approach prevents monopolies to promote competition.

There's just certain things that can't be privatised, mostly national infrastructure. London's railway is an example of this, we've also had our own issues with Telkom and Eskom.
These are just my learnings not hard and fast rules.

There is a reason the NP was staunch supporters of Israel, they respected them and they felt a certain kinship.
Can you explain this a bit more?
 

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Maybe he should watch this movie. Its brilliant

Just imagine the Nazi's won (which I am happy they didnt). I dont think anyone wouldve liked to live in a world like that.

But look DF Malan and the Ossewa Brandwag supported the Nazis. But I can tell of many many South Africans that hated DF Malan. But how did DF Malan get in power? Well there was someone that they hated more than them, and it was the British, especially after the Anglo Boer War. (Scorched Earth, Concentration Camps, WW2 Internment Camps, Mass Rapes and Murder of Women and Children).
Actually that is not completely correct.

The OB supported anyone that was anti-Britain and the Nazi's waged a propaganda war based on this that won them over initially..... when the truth of the camps came out the OB did a complete disillusioned 180 because in the words of their leader at the time (I forget the exact words so am paraphrasing) "I thought he was a great man.... turns out he was just another murderer"

The OB supported the illusion that the Nazi's cast.... they would not have loved the Nazi's actually winning.
 

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Actually that is not completely correct.

The OB supported anyone that was anti-Britain and the Nazi's waged a propaganda war based on this that won them over initially..... when the truth of the camps came out the OB did a complete disillusioned 180 because in the words of their leader at the time (I forget the exact words so am paraphrasing) "I thought he was a great man.... turns out he was just another murderer"

The OB supported the illusion that the Nazi's cast.... they would not have loved the Nazi's actually winning.
The leader of the OB was clearly as dumb and ignorant as a brick.

A quote from Hitler in 1922 -

Once I really am in power, my first and foremost task will be the annihilation of the Jews. As soon as I have the power to do so, I will have gallows built in rows—at the Marienplatz in Munich, for example—as many as traffic allows. Then the Jews will be hanged indiscriminately, and they will remain hanging until they stink; they will hang there as long as the principles of hygiene permit. As soon as they have been untied, the next batch will be strung up, and so on down the line, until the last Jew in Munich has been exterminated. Other cities will follow suit, precisely in this fashion, until all Germany has been completely cleansed of Jews.

If he really thought the guy who said that was a "great" man, well then yeah, says a lot about him and the OB.

I guess they realised they had to distance themselves because being pro-Nazi after 1945 would have had some serious repercussions. So he had to backtrack a little.
 

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Not all Germans would benefit. Many opposed Hitler and would end up dead. Also a lot of Germans were Jews too, or Gypsies, or disabled etc. Hitler massacred Germans too.

The only people that would have gained anything, those that support his ideology.
Exactly. It also provided actual proof there was no easy way to fix things, those repatriations to survivors didn't help much.
 

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Germany was poor and the Jews were good at business so better off. If it wasnt for the Jews then someone else would have been blamed for him to get in power. We forget he hated the communists with even more passion than the Jews.

The same happens in SA. Rather than dealing with the problem. ie a corrupt politician and his friends stealing money thats meant to help the future generations and the current poor, he blamed another race that has money. Its easy to blame another race or a group of people for something, rather than admitting you are corrupt, and the reason everything is in a mess it's because of you.

At the end we want everyone to succeed no matter the race or where your background is from. The wealthier SA become the easier it is for everyone (better exchange rates, lower interest rates, higher property values). So one day its better for all our kids to take the country further forward.

Just look at Singapore. They were like a village on a swamp and they spend seriously to help all their citizens go further. It would be a nice to rather see the billions go to proper housing and job creation for all, than to be swindled off to Dubai.
 

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What's so funny?

He didn't say Hitler committed no crime, he said Hitler committed no crime in the same context that it was never considered a crime to own slaves or mistreat black people during Apartheid.

He's not wrong.

According to the reports ( seeing as the audio is not available ) he literally said "Hitler committed no crime."
 

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Germany was poor and the Jews were good at business so better off. If it wasnt for the Jews then someone else would have been blamed for him to get in power. We forget he hated the communists with even more passion than the Jews.
Close but not quite.

Hitler even though he adopted much of socialism hated communism the most.

He associated communism with Jews because of Marx and the fact that Europe's Jews were to a very large degree communist and most communist parties had large Jewish leadership figures. He saw communism as a Jewish created and run plot to destroy western civilization, remove the Jews remove the problem. The Jewishness of the people was almost secondary.

This is why everyone was so happy with him sending Jews to the camps, it was marketed initially as sending only communists and later this became all Jews.

Stalin was either a moron or did not think Hitler would risk breaking the non-aggression pact.... either way he miscalculated Hitler's desperation to rid the world of communism.

The same happens in SA.
Yes rather than blame a bad idea the people seen as originating the idea gets blamed directly.... remove the people remove the cause of problems.
 

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Germany was poor and the Jews were good at business so better off. If it wasnt for the Jews then someone else would have been blamed for him to get in power. We forget he hated the communists with even more passion than the Jews.

The same happens in SA. Rather than dealing with the problem. ie a corrupt politician and his friends stealing money thats meant to help the future generations and the current poor, he blamed another race that has money. Its easy to blame another race or a group of people for something, rather than admitting you are corrupt, and the reason everything is in a mess it's because of you.

At the end we want everyone to succeed no matter the race or where your background is from. The wealthier SA become the easier it is for everyone (better exchange rates, lower interest rates, higher property values). So one day its better for all our kids to take the country further forward.

Just look at Singapore. They were like a village on a swamp and they spend seriously to help all their citizens go further. It would be a nice to rather see the billions go to proper housing and job creation for all, than to be swindled off to Dubai.
Jewish population in Germany in 1933 as a percentage of the total population -

0.75% of total German population.

Statistically most Germans never met a Jewish person in their daily lives.

Only in Berlin, where 4% of the population was Jewish would someone actually have a slight chance of daily interactions with Jewish people.

It is Nazi propaganda that generated those feelings of rich "Jewish" business profiting off poor Germans.

Big industry in Germany was not Jewish and were closely aligned with the Nazis.
 

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Jewish population in Germany in 1933 as a percentage of the total population -

0.75% of total German population.

Statistically most Germans never met a Jewish person in their daily lives.

Only in Berlin, where 4% of the population was Jewish would someone actually have a slight chance of daily interactions with Jewish people.

It is Nazi propaganda that generated those feelings of rich "Jewish" business profiting off poor Germans.

Big industry in Germany was not Jewish and were closely aligned with the Nazis.
Hugo Boss and those stylish SS uniforms being a prime example.
 

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Germany was poor and the Jews were good at business so better off. If it wasnt for the Jews then someone else would have been blamed for him to get in power. We forget he hated the communists with even more passion than the Jews.

The same happens in SA. Rather than dealing with the problem. ie a corrupt politician and his friends stealing money thats meant to help the future generations and the current poor, he blamed another race that has money. Its easy to blame another race or a group of people for something, rather than admitting you are corrupt, and the reason everything is in a mess it's because of you.

At the end we want everyone to succeed no matter the race or where your background is from. The wealthier SA become the easier it is for everyone (better exchange rates, lower interest rates, higher property values). So one day its better for all our kids to take the country further forward.

Just look at Singapore. They were like a village on a swamp and they spend seriously to help all their citizens go further. It would be a nice to rather see the billions go to proper housing and job creation for all, than to be swindled off to Dubai.
The Nazis were extremely sadistic in many ways.

After Kristallnacht, the Jewish people were not allowed to collect insurance payouts for the damages incurred to their property. Instead the state took those payments. It was something like 5 Million Marks in total.

Then ontop of that they then instituted a collective fine of 1 Billion Reichs Marks on Jewish people to compensate the state for the murder of German diplomat Ernst vom Rath. They also confiscated 20% of all Jewish property.
 

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That would just be incorrect. Black people have not had genocide against them or have been put into concentration camps and systematically killed. At least not by white people. If you want to be a race grifter about it like he and you are.
Actually Black people were also put in concentration camps by the British during the Boer War. Many thousands of Black people were killed in those camps
There has been a constant friction since the Jews first arrived, partly because of religion and partly because the particular set of Jews immigrating to SA has generally always leaned to the left while the Afrikaner (with the exception of the cape colony) mostly has always leaned to the right..... it's a match made in hell.
That is perhaps an exaggeration. Before and mostly after the Boer War most Afrikaner families only survived because of the generosity of Jewish merchants who gave credit to these families during a time when they had nothing. There has always been a very close bond between the Afrikaner and the Jew and this is still true today.
Poor Hitler

I better head to his grave right now and tell him how stupid people are for taking his "The Jewish Question" out of context.
Good luck in finding his grave.
 

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Actually Black people were also put in concentration camps by the British during the Boer War. Many thousands of Black people were killed in those camps

That is perhaps an exaggeration. Before and mostly after the Boer War most Afrikaner families only survived because of the generosity of Jewish merchants who gave credit to these families during a time when they had nothing. There has always been a very close bond between the Afrikaner and the Jew and this is still true today.

Good luck in finding his grave.


Somewhere in Argentina according to the History Channel ...
 
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