‘We are expected to be OK with not having children’: how gay parenthood through surrogacy became a battleground

[Cosmik Debris]

Kinsey's work is garbage.

Source?

OK then. All of it? I notice that single refutation with invective is all that is needed to throw an observation away and replace it with an unconfirmed woke theory.

 

[Cosmik Debris]

And the insurance won't pay for that surrogate
so what actually is your problem here?

Entitlement.

 

[Cosmik Debris]

Not replying to you either. Thank you.

Hissy fit?

 

[Cosmik Debris]

ANC supporters do it fine?

And you're forced to pay for it...

 

[Cosmik Debris]

People have been having babies for millions of years with no medical aids, that is how you're here.

Not gays with surrogates for millions of years...

 

[Cosmik Debris]

Lots of gay people trying to convince themselves that they can "get better" and get married, be good christians and pray the gay away.

Doesn't help that religion teaches people that thoughts and lusts are sin, sex isn't for fun, it's merely to procreate.

Is there a bisexual gene then, if what you are suggesting has any merit?

Most people are bisexual if you look at the Kinsey scale. So there may well be.

 

[WizardOfAges]

you know why? they were all NORMAL people.

Gay, lesbian, bisexual people are all normal people too. It's a naturally occurring thing.

 

[WizardOfAges]

What does that have to do with anything?

Your posts are the very definition of

nit picking and splitting hairs using pedantry.

 

[RiaX]

Gay, lesbian, bisexual people are all normal people too. It's a naturally occurring thing.

Yes but procreation of honosexuals is not - if you want to bring in the natural debate.

That's a fact.

 

[WizardOfAges]

Oh, so the proof now is that I didn't speak to all gay people? Silly argument.

What I said. Some gays in straight marriages do procreate. However, those are then bisexual, not exclusively gay:

Exclusively homosexual are in hetrosexual marriages and procreate?

Then they're bisexual and not gay which is exclusively homosexual. I post the Kinsey scale for you again. It seems that evidence that only suits your argument is accepted by you:

Then you've never met a closeted gay man that tried to pretend he is straight. Just because someone is in a heterosexual marriage doesn't make them heterosexual.

 

[WizardOfAges]

Yes but procreation of honosexuals is not - if you want to bring in the natural debate.

That's a fact.

You know very well that is not what he implied by "NORMAL" people.

 

[WizardOfAges]

Go woke, go broke.

Top tier intellectualism.

 

[RiaX]

You know very well that is not what he implied by "NORMAL" people.

I'm not worried about him. You are trying to use things that occur in nature to justify modern human behavior.

Yes homosexuality is a natural occurring thing in the natural world however nothing is born from that activity in nature. Perhaps it's time we as a species stop trying to out smart nature and just follow its rules like every other living thing

 

[WizardOfAges]

Hissy fit?

I learned it from you.

 

[Cosmik Debris]

Then you've never met a closeted gay man that tried to pretend he is straight. Just because someone is in a heterosexual marriage doesn't make them heterosexual.

Oh, I have. And he had a senior officer's rank in the SADF. Married with kids. Served in the Angolan theatre.

I always suspected it. Most didn't. He came out when it was safe to do so and not lose his pension and left the SANDF.

 

[Cosmik Debris]

Top tier intellectualism.

Reality...

 

[Gyre]

I'm not worried about him. You are trying to use things that occur in nature to justify modern human behavior.

Yes homosexuality is a natural occurring thing in the natural world however nothing is born from that activity in nature. Perhaps it's time we as a species stop trying to out smart nature and just follow its rules like every other living thing

What kind of argument is that? Why not get off your computer then and go make grunts and noises at a person in front of you like any other animal?

If something wasn't mean to be, the universe would have exploded, the big guy in the sky would have come down to stop us or we would have been natural rectifying laws against it. We can do whatever we want, whenever we want.

 

[Crowley]

we would have been natural rectifying laws against it.

You mean like not being able to procreate?

 

[Gyre]

You mean like not being able to procreate?

You guys keep saying "not be able to pro-create" but there are surrogates for everyone, there are complicated relationships out there and even some biological females will get ****ed over by nature and not be able to reproduce.

Your whole purpose is to pass your genes on, that is it. Do what you were meant to do any way you want, or deviate from that goal and just enjoy your life - nobody cares.

 

[WizardOfAges]

Oh, I have. And he had a senior officer's rank in the SADF. Married with kids. Served in the Angolan theatre.

I always suspected it. Most didn't. He came out when it was safe to do so and not lose his pension and left the SANDF.

Dear CD, doesn't this go against what you said earlier that exclusively homosexual people do not marry and have children?