‘We are expected to be OK with not having children’: how gay parenthood through surrogacy became a battleground

[WizardOfAges]

You're kidding right? You want me to wade through that swill?

Then why waste my time asking?

 

[WizardOfAges]

And everyone is rightly telling them to fark off with that idea

Yes... Zombie rights activists and all that.

 

[Beyond.Celsus]

Yes... Zombie rights activists and all that.

Yes.
They can fark off too

 

[WizardOfAges]

Yes.
They can fark off too

How dare gay people have children of their own? Oh the humanity!

 

[Beyond.Celsus]

How dare gay people have children of their own? Oh the humanity!

Have as many children as you wan't
Just don't expect a policy that covers you to cover a surrogate.

 

[WizardOfAges]

Just don't expect a policy that covers you to cover a surrogate.

Because that affects you how?

 

[HunterNW]

Two gays driving one says"Pull over, i've got to take a dump"
After a while the one waiting by the car here soft cries. He walks into the bush where his partner went and there he is, sobbing. "I had a miscarriage he cries, Look at his little arms, the little legs"
His partner moers him on the head. "Fokof man. You schit on a frog !"

 

[Gyre]

Neither of these men are infertile. Insurance only covers that aspect.

Case closed.

PS: I love the women's rights advocates wringing their hands here so as not to offend the gays. What a conundrum....hehehe.

You must love it twice as much then, considering you're neither pro-women's or pro-LGBTQ rights

 

[Beyond.Celsus]

Because that affects you how?

It affects everyone.
The more things insurance has to cover, the more expensive it becomes.
When one group of people succeed in getting something ridiculous covered the next group will lobby to get their ridiculous thing covered.

And so on and on it will go until insurance companies cannot afford anything anymore, because every thing and everyone needs to be covered and insurance would be too expensive for everyone.

 

[Mike Hoxbig]

How dare gay people have children of their own? Oh the humanity!

What's stopping them? Pay for it as straight people have to pay for surrogacy.

The issue is they're trying to milk their insurance to pay for someone who isn't on their plan, and trying to push a discrimination angle when there isn't any...

 

[TheMightyQuinn]

You must love it twice as much then, considering you're neither pro-women's or pro-LGBTQ rights

#allrightsmatter

 

[wbot]

Typical lawyers lol

 

[TheMightyQuinn]

Then why waste my time asking?

'cos your time is insignificant and not important to me.

Glad my trick worked...

 

[TheMightyQuinn]

How dare gay people have children of their own? Oh the humanity!

 

[WizardOfAges]

What's stopping them? Pay for it as straight people have to pay for surrogacy.

The costs of the IVF? The surrogacy part is understandable.

The issue is they're trying to milk their insurance to pay for someone who isn't on their plan, and trying to push a discrimination angle when there isn't any...

Okay got it. We should just accept everything as it is and never complain unless it affects us.

 

[konfab]

How is this related to the thread, out of curiosity?

I was replying to this:

Always been in favour of equal rights and allowing people to do whatever the fsck they want to within the confines of the law. Just really getting fed up with being bombarded by all this entitlement crap.

All the positive rights that progressives demand, such as free healthcare, free welfare, free education, free abortion, being free from discrimination by private parties, being free from offended. There is no limiting scope to positive rights. Which means we are at the point where progressives like yourself will defend a man celebrating a child being coerced into touching his junk because you don't want to look offensive to trannies on a Zimbabwean sheep shearing fourm.

 

[Temujin]

The woke cult teaches us that men can get pregnant. So, whats the problem here?

 

[Lucas Buck]

Thanks for the link.

I've read up a bit more on the issue. The link that I provided is dated January 2020. New York has since updated its surrogacy laws and legalised surrogacy in February 2021.

That being said it's easy to see why insurance companies wouldn't want to include surrogacy coverage. There are too many uncertainties to deal with. It's best if the surrogate take out their own insurance or make an agreement with the couple to help pay for the surrogates insurance.

The CPSA:

• Establishes legal criteria for gestational surrogacy agreements that provide the strongest protections in the nation for parents and surrogates, ensuring all parties provide informed consent at every step of the process;
• Creates a Surrogates' Bill of Rights, to ensure the unfettered right of surrogates to make their own healthcare decisions, including whether to terminate or continue a pregnancy, and that surrogates have access to comprehensive health insurance and independent legal counsel of their choosing, all paid for by the intended parents; and
• Creates a streamlined process for establishing parenthood when one of the individuals is a non-biological parent Link

Surrogates also have the following rights under New York law:

the right to select a health care professional of their own choosing;
the right to terminate or continue the pregnancy;
the right to make health and welfare decisions about themselves and the pregnancy, including the right to reduce or retain the number of fetuses or embryos they are carrying;
the right to receive compensation for the surrogacy, which must be held in escrow with an independent escrow agent; and
the right to be provided with a copy of the Surrogate's Bill of Rights.

The gestational surrogacy agreement is a long document, and includes additional information related to the surrogacy process.

 

[Beyond.Celsus]

The costs of the IVF? The surrogacy part is understandable.

Okay got it. We should just accept everything as it is and never complain unless it affects us.

They should accept that they do not have wombs and that, that fact is not someone else's problem and that being gay does not give them the right to demand an insurance company should pay for the medical expenses of a woman not on the policy or even part of their family.

It's not the insurance companies fault they were born men.

 

[WizardOfAges]

I've read up a bit more on the issue. The link that I provided is dated 2020. New York has since updated its surrogacy laws and legalised surrogacy in February 2021.

That being said you can see why insurance companies wouldn't want to include surrogacy for non dependents. There are too many uncertainties to deal with. It's best if the surrogate take out their own insurance or make an agreement with the couple to help pay for the surrogates insurance.

I realised I said they want to cover the cost for surrogacy but that is not the case. They just want the IVF part covered like the other women have.