“Homeless” Penny Sparrow can’t afford R150,000 racism fine

yebocan

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let this be a warning to others, your actions...have consequences!
 

Kosmik

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Community service would have been a far better and just sentence.
 

Necrotic

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let this be a warning to others, your actions...have consequences!

Lol... Now you talking Nonsense..read you local newspaper( No No..Not the new age) and then you will see that "your" ruling party and other racist folk steal and pluder to their hart's content Yet no Consequences.
 

freddster

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Lol... Now you talking Nonsense..read you local newspaper( No No..Not the new age) and then you will see that "your" ruling party and other racist folk steal and pluder to their hart's content Yet no Consequences.

Thats when you are white. What happened to Mr Khumalo?
 

LazyLion

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Is the fine unjust? how exactly?

Drive vehicle in unsafe manner, could result in death or injury = R300 fine.
Exercise free speech, hurt somebody's feelings, no possible death or injury = R150,000 fine.

You tell us.
 

konfab

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I had a discussion with a lawyer friend about this issue.

This was dealt with in a civil court firstly, which means it was a lower court. Which basically means there is a severe curtailing of their powers. Specifically on the amount they can change a fine.

So basically a court at this level can choose to either not charge her with hate speech (which is not the case) or charge her and award the fine. At this level the courts can only change a fine by a specific amount. Which is the reason why the ANC's original figure of R200k got sliced down to R150k.

What likely happened is the judge recommended the case to be taken to a higher court where a more reasonable fine can then be imposed. Which is probably going to happen. So she is probably going to appeal. The media are keeping very vague about the specifics of the court details.

So that is the legal side. Politically, this plays into the ANC's hands perfectly. They get to hark on now about justice for black people, then when it gets appealed and lowered, they can hark on about how racist the judge and the judiciary is to their supporters.
 

agentrfr

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While definately harsh (they're setting precedent), I do think that it is a little over the top.

I also want this ruling (i.e R150k fine) to be applied all the possible ways to all racists, not just "white people and their money"
 

Kosmik

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Is the fine unjust? how exactly?

More about unreasonable. Folks do not have R150k lying around. Forced community service for 10 years at a hospice/orphanage or some such would have been a far better sentence and she would hopefully have learnt a lesson.
 
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