1 million whites have left SA

[kilo39]

In South Africa, as can be seen by the AA laws and BEE scorecards - black means blacks indians, and coloureds. so when i talk about black I refer to all those races

All black and coloured students who apply to study medicine at the University of Cape Town are considered to be "educationally disadvantaged" even if they attended private schools, documents before the Cape High Court have revealed.

By contrast, Indian students are divided into categories according to whether they attended private or government schools and are regarded as not having received a disadvantaged education under apartheid.
Parents dig their heels into UCT race issue March 04 2005
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He called on all interested South Africans to speak out and stop the "lamentable reinstatement of race-obsession in our education system and its institutions".

Leon said the university's guidelines for admissions for 2007 revealed that for certain courses in the health and law faculties, "black" and "coloured" applicants required up to eight fewer matric-exemption points than anyone falling into the category "open".

"More bizarrely still, 'Indians' in certain medical courses are expected to supply as many - or nearly as many - points as "Open" (read: white) applicants, while for law they rejoin the disadvantaged camp, requiring for entry the lower points tally of black and coloured applicants," said Leon.

"To my mind, by lumping individuals in categories without regard to their circumstances or abilities, reinforces the baleful notion that some race groups are innately inferior to others, because they require special treatment," said Leon.
Leon lashes at UCT's admission policy
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There is a critical shortage of radiologists and radiological equipment in the Western Cape which is negatively affecting the quality of healthcare services in the public sector and threatening future delivery in the private sector, according to the president of the Radiological Society of South Africa (RSSA), Richard Tuft.
Shortage has negative effect on health care September 18 2006
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Half of all maternal deaths at district and regional hospitals between 2002 and 2004 could have been avoided - were it not for negligent healthcare workers.

So reads the latest Saving Mothers report by the National Committee for Confidential Enquiries into Maternal Deaths. The report has been sitting on Health Minister Manto Tshabalala-Msimang's desk since June but has not been released.
Maternal deaths blamed on hospital negligence September 16 2006
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I can't find it now - but remember the original report - that stated that medical school admissions were way down - because few of the students passed necessary "social skills" tests, ie, it takes more than knowledge to be a good doctor.

As usual - by the trolls - why call anything by its real name - or look anything straight in the face - Everything is Peachy - Believe Me!!

 

[jontyB]

Brenden_E : Rubush. Almost every affluent person can emmigrate if they so choose. And almost everyone I know has yet to do so, despite the ease with which they can do so

Erm, no JStrike - you're talking rubbish. Few people can leave - especially people that still have young kids. It is an expensive exercise and getting more and more difficult to emigrate from South Africa.

 

[Drone 42]

This is not true, there are many extremely talented, professional, and capable black people who can easily take the place of those that are leaving, and surprise, surprise there are many white professionals who have not and are not planning to leave this country.

It is not always that easy just to replace somebody. The people that leave often have years of experience behind them. Stuff you cant just learn in a book at uni. Experience is what counts and not just what degree you have.

 

[IanC]

Prof Kader Asmal used to say don't call it affirmative action, call it corrective action.

Ah I must have missed that ... it's not "job reservation" it's corrective action ... thanks for putting me straight ... not Seems to me the Afrikaner called it that, after being downtrodden by the "Engels" for x number of years.

Here are the realities of current day South Africa

Do you really think, that when they are looking at their lives, your kids will give a toss what Prof Kader Asmal had to say, in 50 years time... I don't think so.

 

[IanC]

@ IanC - the same applies to artisans and professionals

Really ... I've never had a problem getting a doctor when I needed one ... a decent plumber is a whole other story.

 

[IanC]

Erm, no JStrike - you're talking rubbish. Few people can leave - especially people that still have young kids. It is an expensive exercise and getting more and more difficult to emigrate from South Africa.

JStrike seems to live in an ivory tower that rises 10km above the rest of us, therefore no one he knows will ever emigrate ... they have no idea how to get down from the tower.

 

[jontyB]

JStrike seems to live in an ivory tower that rises 10km above the rest of us, therefore no one he knows will ever emigrate ... they have no idea how to get down from the tower.

money does that....

 

[IanC]

money does that....

Indeed ...

 

[Brenden_E]

Hah. We may pay medical aids for our health care, but we have some of the best medical care in the world. Wait till you're in the UK, and have to book an appointment with a doctor several weeks in advance. For non-emergency room type emergencies, you may be able to get in in a day or two.

Hahaha! You've OBVIOUSLY not been to a state hospital recently.

 

[Brenden_E]

Don't be daft. You're educated, and have skills. Don't go looking for nice comfy employment, make yourself self-employed, and go contracting. You'll make more money, with more independence, and be unaffected by the BEE stuff.

FWIW, despite all the bitching about BEE, etc., none of my white friends is unemployed.

I am self Employed, and BEE is the biggest nonesense I have to deal with. I'm not half bad at what I do (check out the link in my sig), and have been getting quite a bit of interest from international firms.

The question is why live here where they openly discriminated against you, and where you have to live in a jail, if you don't have to? Why make your live hard, when it can be easier and much more rewarding? And, of course, I hate the fact the my tax money is paying for Mbekis new house and Zuma's next vacation.

 

[Brenden_E]

so what you are saying is that only whites are good doctors ??? hahahaha, wake up from the dreamworld you are living in

Fool, I pointed out that it's all the educated folks that are leaving. Black and white. Just a higher percentage of whites have tertiary education.

And the current black doctors who work in state hospitals are atrocious for the most part. Well, at least the ones in Gauteng. Don't believe me - break a leg and hop on over there. O boy, I assure you it'll be heaps of fun.

 

[Brenden_E]

Jis, you are a n00b. What the hell does RACE have to do with good or bad doctors?! Are you implying that only WHITE doctors are GOOD doctors?!

See what I wrote to the other guy, noob. Our education is clearly not what it used to be; you're suppose to read an entire statement, and not just the first sentence.

I know it may take a while, but say the words out loudly, hear them, comprehend, and post again.

 

[bwana]

Along the same lines - just in English this time

http://www.fin24.co.za/articles/default/display_article.asp?Nav=ns&ArticleID=1518-25_2003186

 

[Brenden_E]

Brenden_E : Rubush. Almost every affluent person can emmigrate if they so choose. And almost everyone I know has yet to do so, despite the ease with which they can do so

That's probably because they are wealthy of something inherent to SA. And of course that's the people you know - almost everyone I know, has either left or are planning to. Suppose I'm with the more intellectual crowd

 

[Brenden_E]

This is from the University of Pretoria

http://www.up.ac.za/academic/medicine/nuwe-kur.htm



I am not a doctor either, but I refuse to believe that standards are dropping, just because some people say they are.

I also know that this curriculum has been evaluated by the World Health Organisation who - excuse the pun - gave it a clean bill of health

The university of Pretoria is predominantly white; in case you didn't know
The sad thing is, look at the Mamelodi Campus, that's predominantly black. It's a clownhouse. Doesn't reflect very well, now does it?

 

[BTTB]

BTTB : Why do you think the white pop was closer to 10million?

Perhaps my estimates are wrong, but a definite 7 million in 1994 would be closer to the mark?

I am not an authority here, but one thing I am good with is figures.
If the Census reported that there were only 5,2 Million that means this refers to the people that actually did fill in the Census.
The thing that people forget is the Census asks questions about your Income. Despite assurances from the Government to the public that this information is private, nobody believed them and if people did perhaps they couldn't care or left that section blank?
It is like asking someone if they have sex and how much at that too?

Taking into account that in 1994 the whites were the section of the population with the money it is easy to assume many refused to fill in the questionnaire or simply were not at home at the time of The Census.
I wasn't home and the 4 people in our home were not counted.

I can also remember estimates I have read in newspapers over the years and none of these had a figure as low as 5,2 Million.
Perhaps the White Population is 5,2 Million now as probably 2 or 3 Million have left, but I definitely doubt that only 1 Million have left.
Would Home Affairs even know. With the advent of Computers and the new systems implemented by them it is fair to assume that they may have lost quite a few bits and pieces of information for the period post 1994.

Well these are my opinions, obviously open to comment.

 

[pupa]

.................."To my mind, by lumping individuals in categories without regard to their circumstances or abilities, reinforces the baleful notion that some race groups are innately inferior to others, because they require special treatment," said Leon.

Thats FAct. Good somebody noticed at last. The GVT did; thats why they bring in these curbing laws, else they just cannot compete. It all in the genes!

 

[hennievr]

I am self Employed, and BEE is the biggest nonesense I have to deal with. I'm not half bad at what I do (check out the link in my sig), and have been getting quite a bit of interest from international firms.

The question is why live here where they openly discriminated against you, and where you have to live in a jail, if you don't have to? Why make your live hard, when it can be easier and much more rewarding? And, of course, I hate the fact the my tax money is paying for Mbekis new house and Zuma's next vacation.

I'm following you on this one. Also applied to get out, not because I was hijack or the crime is to high or something like that, but merely when I tender for a job I want an equal opportunity and not think all the time when I lose a tender(which is everytime) that it was because of my skin colour or perhaps that I dont have a "bee brother"

 

[Brenden_E]

I'm following you on this one. Also applied to get out, not because I was hijack or the crime is to high or something like that, but merely when I tender for a job I want an equal opportunity and not think all the time when I lose a tender(which is everytime) that it was because of my skin colour or perhaps that I dont have a "bee brother"

These days you not only have to be BEE, but you have to know someone on the inside. Anyone familiar why the ICASA CEO was recently suspended? That pretty much sums it up - banana republic this is fast becoming.

Crime, Corruption, Nepotism. The three pillars of the new SA

 

[JStrike]

jontyB : For older people and people with families, it is tougher to emigrate, granted.