157 aboard Ethiopian Airlines flight to Nairobi involved in fatal crash

Lew Skannen

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https://www.news24.com/Africa/News/just-in-ethiopian-airlines-flight-to-nairobi-involved-in-fatal-crash-20190310

Ethiopian Airlines says it believes 149 passengers and eight crew members were on board a plane that crashed six minutes after taking off from Ethiopia's capital, Addis Ababa, on a flight to Nairobi.

A statement from the airline on Sunday morning said the Boeing 737 crashed around Bishoftu, or Debre Zeit, some 50km south of the capital, shortly after taking off at 08:38 local time.

The airline statement said "search and rescue operations are in progress and we have no confirmed information about survivors or any possible casualties".

Earlier, the Ethiopian prime minister's office said an Ethiopian Airlines plane crashed on its way to Nairobi, with deaths reported.

The office issued a statement on Sunday morning saying the Boeing 737 was on a regularly scheduled flight when it crashed. The statement gave no details.

A spokesperson for the airline confirmed the plane crashed while heading from Ethiopia's capital, Addis Ababa. It was not yet clear at the time where the crash occurred.
 

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Yes, this is very worrying.

They may have to ground all 737 MAX 8's
I hope they do until they get to the bottom of this.

The Indonesian crash was due to a safety system called MCAS (that apparently hadn't been communicated to anyone by the airline) that was meant to prevent stalls by automatically pitching the nose down, except the speed sensors were malfunctioning so it basically sent the plane into a nosedive. In a way, it would be better if this crash was related to that as it points to a single flaw that can be resolved/disabled - if there is some new issue then it starts to look like a systemic issue with the plane model.
 

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I hope they do until they get to the bottom of this.

The Indonesian crash was due to a safety system called MCAS (that apparently hadn't been communicated to anyone by the airline) that was meant to prevent stalls by automatically pitching the nose down, except the speed sensors were malfunctioning so it basically sent the plane into a nosedive. In a way, it would be better if this crash was related to that as it points to a single flaw that can be resolved/disabled - if there is some new issue then it starts to look like a systemic issue with the plane model.
Or it could be pilot error.
 

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Flew Ethiopinan Airlines in December to Spain, and will never fly with them again. Their planes are shoddy. For a new Boeing 787, it was in pretty poor shape. Seats damaged, windows quite scratched, and trim panels loose.

Seen many ancient 737's flown by Mango, Kulula and Safair that look years newer than the 787 I flew.

They were the cheapest, and it shows.
 

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Or it could be pilot error.
Well, technically it it was the MCAS system that kicked in erroneously, it would now be pilot error to some extent as they should by now be trained on how to recognise what it's doing and disengage it.
 

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Flew Ethiopinan Airlines in December to Spain, and will never fly with them again. Their planes are shoddy. For a new Boeing 787, it was in pretty poor shape. Seats damaged, windows quite scratched, and trim panels loose.

Seen many ancient 737's flown by Mango, Kulula and Safair that look years newer than the 787 I flew.

They were the cheapest, and it shows.
Oh hell no, that would be the end of me flying ever again ..... serious eek just reading that first line
 

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Oh hell no, that would be the end of me flying ever again ..... serious eek just reading that first line
Yeah, also the internal coloured lighting that changes depending on the time of day wan't functioning correctly. Part of the left side was flickering. Don't know if it must have been a dead LED controller or a loose wire - who knows... but as a frequent and veteran flyer, I'll never fly with them again.
 

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I know quite a few people who fly Ethiopian Airlines due to the cheap tickets to get to Europe.

Wouldn't fly on Ethiopian Airlines even if you paid me. Ok, maybe $5m so I can buy nice houses in the Cotswolds and Clifton (for the summer).:p
 

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Seems I chose the wrong airline to fly with in june lol
.... :oops:

I know quite a few people who fly Ethiopian Airlines due to the cheap tickets to get to Europe.

Wouldn't fly on Ethiopian Airlines even if you paid me. Ok, maybe $5m so I can buy nice houses in the Cotswolds and Clifton (for the summer).:p
.... yeah nope, I'm sticking with the big boys come May, rather pay extra tbh
 

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.... :oops:

.... yeah nope, I'm sticking with the big boys come May, rather pay extra tbh
Yeah, you cannot really put a price on your safety and security. If something goes wrong on that flight, at least you and your family & friends would know that you did the best you ever could do.

When any airline gets awards such as the 'Fastest Growing Airline in Africa" red flags goes up. Luck don't last forever. When you grow so quick you need more aircraft, more flights squeezed in, more in expenses and maintenance costs, more pilots, pressuring pilots into more flights, etc. This usually leads to unintended consequences such as shortcuts on maintenance, and much more. Happened before and will happen again.
 
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