2 Accounts, 2 Computers, one line

[kinslayer]

Hi

I have asked so many different people this question and it has worked for some and not others. This is what I am planning to do (adsl just has to be installed)

I do a lot of local downloading, and therefore dont want to cap my account so I am going to get two accounts, one for downloads one for surfing. Originally I was just going to switch accounts when not using internet and download but I heard some people were able to connect with two accounts at once by having a switch and ethernet adsl modem connected to switch as well as two pc's. However one person it works for and another gets a "port already in use" message. I may as well give my plan.

At the moment I am sharing 56k over a normal workgroup 2 computers with a crossover cable (man its painful), when I get adsl I am going to connect the modem and two pc's to a switch so I dont have to use internet connection sharing and my plan to follow. I would Ideally like to be able to do this...

PC 1 = Connect to account A (surfing account)
PC 2 = Connect to account B (downloading account)

Is it possible to do this at the same time or can you only connect with one account at once, maybe the people it works with have a different installation to the people it doesnt ?

 

[podo]

Depends on your hardware. From what I have heard, the Telkom router is very reluctant to act as a pure ethernet ADSL bridge. Even if you do manage to get it to do that, you can expect some problems. Some people have even reported that it doesn't allow two PPPoE sessions to traverse it at once, that is an unconfirmed rumour though. Also, since it doesn't really do what you want, any router would not be the best choice, as routers act as connection sharing devices themselves, functionality you won't be needing, at a price you don't want to pay.

What you want is a pure ethernet to ADSL bridge. All these devices do is interface the ethernet on your switch to the virtual ethernet (layered over ATM) created by the ADSL network. Once this is done, all you need to do is start up a PPPoE client on each PC and have it connect to the account you want. Ethernet to ADSL bridges are generally cheaper than routers, and perform much better. The best one I have come across is the D-Link DSL-300G. I use it myself, simply because I already have a hardware router that can do PPPoE, but not ADSL. The DSL-300G should retail around R750. It will provide you with all the functionality you need. Just hook it up to your switch and start your PPPoE clients. You should be surfing right away.

One side note, it seems Telkom are in the habit of limiting connection speed at the DSLAM, not the PPPoE endpoint. This means, even with two accounts, you won't get above 512kbps. In effect, if both accounts run at the maximum possible rate, you will be running two independant 256kps connections. However, if all you need is two separate accounts, and increasing connection speed doesn't concern you, this will work perfectly.

Also note, I am in no way at present nor have I been in the past affiliated with D-Link or D-Link S.A. in any way. My recommendation is based purely on my experience with the product.

Willie Viljoen
Web Developer

Adaptive Web Development

 

[kinslayer]

Well I dont have any choice but to go with the telkom supplied router so I spose it will all be about luck. I do know of 2 people that use the telkom supplied routers that succesfully access with two accounts at once, one of them got their router a year ago and one of them 3 weeks, so unless the model of router changes things should be fine.

 

[James]

I can't possibly see how it would be possible with 1 Telkom supplied modem(if 2 pc's the ADSL pots ethernet modem would be good. I have the same problem, I play alot of games and that only uses local, yet i need international for work. the only way i have worked it is to change ur account details which turns out very quickly to be a huge ball ache. If any one does no an easier sollution it would be greay. Personlly I don't think it can be done.

Changing the figures though would be cool, 2 lines, 2 accounts 1 pc, that would be cool, channel all local though 1 account and int through the other, that would be nice

There is no peace without war!!!

 

[sybawoods]

Maybe I've just been lucky, but I don't think you should have any problems. I have a virtually identical scenario, one unshaped account, and one shaped account (sharing costs with my brother in another house), shared across 3 PC's and one ADSL line in my house.

In my home we have 3 PC's - 2 which is connected all the time, and one laptop from work which is connected temporarily. I have a normal Telkom issued "ADSL router POTS". The modem is connected to a cheap Chronos 8 port network hub. Each PC is connected to the hub. I have exclusive use of the unshaped account on my PC, while my son and wife share the shaped account. The accounts are almost always used simultaneously via one ADSL line and we've never had any problems.

 

[James]

Aah, out of curiosity are u using 3rd party software or the Marconi built in software?

There is no peace without war!!!

 

[sybawoods]

On my PC I'm using RASPPPOE (http://www.raspppoe.com/), the others are simply using the PPPOE functionality in XP.

 

[kram]

kinslayer - if you have access to a old P2 you can set this all up on *NIX box using the ADSL Router Pots supplied by Telkom.

I have 18 - 22 Users running one DSL modem generally with one Active Account - None of these users have any PPoe clients installed on the machines. When we reach the "CAP" and I feal like they should suffer just that bit longer I use an independant PPoe dialer with another account - they suck off i get to play for a while [}]

In some cases I have two Win machines that have the private PPoe client installed - each can run indipendant accounts with no conflicts. The default account still runs from the *NIX gateway.

Obviously the inbound speed can not exceed the harware limit.


As far as changing the Account automatically, I think the DSL cap range chnages to 165.165.1.* or 165.165.2.*. I am pritty sure that one could just check the allocated IP automatically daily, weekly etc and if the ip is 165.165.x.* then run a cronjob to restart adsl with diff options ?? any thoughts?

Kram

 

[loosecannon]

i once had [when telkoms auth server was broken] +/- 20 simultaneous PPP links on a linux box and allocated routing for a different port for each one http/ftp/dns/smtp/ntp/p2p .... it was quite fun while it lasted ...

ADSL is a PPP over ethernet connection and in bridge mode you can have many connections accross the bridge from multiple endpoints ... i have had 2 companies running on 2 user accounts and one ADSL Line/Modem ....there firewalls shared a common ehternet card for internet "open" and had a private card internaly for the company [firewalled] ...

useing pppoe-server/relay on linux you can have wifi connections accross a AP to telkom adsl ... allowing you to share 1 ADSL line for a town house complex and each unit having just a ADSL login to get connected ... 3Gb per node ...

 

[loosecannon]

the ip range < 165.165.128.0 is capped another trick is to use 2 accouints at all times and swap them arround ie user1 is web/ftp/mail for first 15days and user2 p2p you swap em round you get best of both ...

to do this requires some iptables/iproute2 black magic im prepared to share mu iptables/ip-up script for those brave souls who want to play with -t mangle

 

[Moonglum]

Hi,

I would also like to know if it is possible. I run about 5 pc's on a Dlink DES-1008D switch and then a Dlink DI-604 router and a Dlink DSL 300G ADSL modem so that all have internet access. Will i need to install another ADSL phone line or not since the adsl line that they installed has got two connections in the wall socket. Or can i just connect another adsl modem to the one pc and connect it direct to the wall socket with my second account ? Please mail if you need any futher information.

Regards

Gerrit Louw

 

[antowan]

Assuming you have ADSL router, LAN switch and 2 pc's connected.

Simple:

PC 1 = Setup with account 1
PC 2 = Setup with account 2

No problem...

Just don't config the router to use one of the accounts to automatically connect on its own.

Did I understand you correctly?



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[Moonglum]

Hi,

Yes i think that sums it up. But what about the following ?

1) Can i run both accounts at the same time ?
2) Do i need to install another ADSL line ?
3) Since the router can only connect to 1 account at at time must i connect a second adsl modem to the second computer to surf at the same time ?

regards

Gerrit

 

[loosecannon]

1)my record is 20 simultaneous connections split between 2 accounts
2)NO NO NO
3)set the router up as a pppoe bridge and use the dialup software on the PC do not set usernames on the router ...

TTFN

 

[Moonglum]

Hi,

Okay how do i set up the router as a bridge ?

Regards
Gerrit

 

[Moonglum]

Just a question,

I have another adsl modem. Would it just not be easier just to connect my one computer that i want to use for the local surfing to the adsl modem and then leave my other computers on the network with the adsl router

regards
Gerrit

 

[James]

moonglum

I think you making this hard on yourself.

Access your router via the IP address given, enter in ur U/N and PW. In the router config change the setting to bridge settings. Download a PPPoE client such as raspPPoe or even use XP's built in client. The router will have no user name and password so with out the client your ADSL is going nowhere, it is not connected. With the PPPoE software it will look like Dial up, now you can choose what accouny each pc will connect to by setting up these in the PPPoE settings. Just remember though that Telkom limits you via the DSLAM so your line itself can only do 512Kbps, even if you have 5 different account. It is getting late, I hope I am making sense.

There is no peace without war!!!

 

[Moonglum]

Hi,

Okay i will give that a try except on my Dlink 606 router i dont see a option to bridge it anywhere ? Any suggestions ?

regards
Gerrit