2009 AUS tour to SA - Tests, T20s and ODIs

poffle

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right now in this situation i think its down to sit and hold out as long as possible. There is no way our tail can win this...
 

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Nice to see someone knows something about the difference between ODI and Test.

In tests are you supposed to be bowled out for 138? are you suppose to score low totals in tests and allow yourself to be bowled out for under 250 the whole time?

Ok well if this is the case i never new that test matches were about low totals and losing games. One wonders in the first innings if all the okes who failed went out there and played One day style if we would have been bowled out for 138.

Why is it the Aussies can score 300+ a day yet we cannot score more than 250 an innnings most of the time. It is because their mentality is not this is a 5 day lets block and leave, they play 5 day cricket like its 5 days of a one day game and this is why they are the best in the world. They do not know the meaning of blocking and leaving for an entire day. They hardly ever draw why do you think that is? Because they do not block and leave for 2 days at a time.

The aussies go in wanting to win or lose a game, batting for 1 and half days to ensure if a draw is not something they would even consider, they would rather chase the runs and lose than block and lose.

A WINNING MENTALITY unlike us who have a LET'S NOT LOSE MENTALITY.
 
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In tests are suppose to be bowled out for 138? are you suppose to score low totals in tests and allow yourself to be bowled out for under 250 the whole time?

Ok well if this is the case i never new that test matches were about low totals and losing games.

No but it is a differnet pitch with different field placings and a no limit to the nr of overs each guy has to play. Also the pitch is not a constant it changes from day to day. TEST cricket.

Lol, you think we would reach 500+ by slogging?
 

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Lol no "Wonder"

Ive played the game and even on school level theres tactics on what to do.
Do you watch any sport? They all have it.
Did you watch the 03 Semi final when there was communication between the dressing room and the players albeit incorrect info about DL?

Im sorry but you must be a real fool to think the batsmen go out there and just play.
Especially now when the game lies in what the tail enders do, surely they need to be fed on the situation of the game...

What do you think the batsmen chat about between overs, does the 12th man just take drinks to the players??? NO!!
Whta do you think was the topic of discussion during lunch???:rolleyes:

They analysisnt the game and what needs to be done, every batsmen out of the change room will have a game plan and pass it on to the batsmen at the crease, I dont believe youve never seen this or even thought about it.

Did you read my post??

cause you must be a real fool if you dont understand what I said.

How do info about D/L compare to tactics in a test match?

Who would best understand the situation of the game? the guys in the dressing room or the guys in the middle?

Like I said, there will be tactics/strategy, i'm not dumb, every sport has it. we had it at school level, we had it at club level. But the coach did not tell us what needs to happen every ball, because I used to be able to read, my batting partner used to be able to read, and we had descent enough memories to remember what was said before the game/during lunch/ when we got drinks etc etc.

where did I say that there is no tactics?? no strategy?? no game plan? if you want to argue a point, stick to it. You said they were told to play for a draw, I said I dont think that is what would have been said. dont call me a fool to try and make a point, rather try and use reason.
 

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I believe they were told play for a draw because we do not have a winning attitude so a draw would have been the only thought.
 

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Did you read my post??

cause you must be a real fool if you dont understand what I said.

How do info about D/L compare to tactics in a test match?

Who would best understand the situation of the game? the guys in the dressing room or the guys in the middle?

Like I said, there will be tactics/strategy, i'm not dumb, every sport has it. we had it at school level, we had it at club level. But the coach did not tell us what needs to happen every ball, because I used to be able to read, my batting partner used to be able to read, and we had descent enough memories to remember what was said before the game/during lunch/ when we got drinks etc etc.

where did I say that there is no tactics?? no strategy?? no game plan? if you want to argue a point, stick to it. You said they were told to play for a draw, I said I dont think that is what would have been said. dont call me a fool to try and make a point, rather try and use reason.

Ok cool... thought you couldnt be that dumb!:p

Anyway I still think you wrong, and infact knowing SA I think they were playin for a draw since day 2 of this game!!
 

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I believe they were told play for a draw because we do not have a winning attitude so a draw would have been the only thought.

I dont agree. In all the interviews with players/coach yesterday they all talked about the possibility of a win. If they were going into the day with a draw on their minds, why say that then?
 

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Oh lord Craig Marais is a terrible commentator. That guy is in the Trevor Quirk mold.
 

killadoob

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No but it is a differnet pitch with different field placings and a no limit to the nr of overs each guy has to play. Also the pitch is not a constant it changes from day to day. TEST cricket.

Lol, you think we would reach 500+ by slogging?

I am not sure about slogging, not sure why you think ODI cricket is just slogging you may be confused with 20/20.

In one day cricket to score 50 runs off a 160 balls would get you cut from the team in test cricket your a hero, look at duminy's score 75 of our 138 runs, maybe if the other batsmen had slogged as you suggest they may have scored more than 70 odd runs between the 7/8 of them.

i am not saying slog!!! i am saying PLAY POSITIVE CRICKET, even though it is 5 day cricket is does not mean you should block/leave 20 balls in a row.
 

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Ok cool... thought you couldnt be that dumb!:p

Anyway I still think you wrong, and infact knowing SA I think they were playin for a draw since day 2 of this game!!

what?? you you never actually read my post? just went forward, rolled your eyes and called me a fool?
 

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I dont agree. In all the interviews with players/coach yesterday they all talked about the possibility of a win. If they were going into the day with a draw on their minds, why say that then?

You cant tell Ponting you playing for a draw...:eek:
 

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Ok cool... thought you couldnt be that dumb!:p

Anyway I still think you wrong, and infact knowing SA I think they were playin for a draw since day 2 of this game!!

also, what do you mean knowing SA? have you been watching us over the last 18 months or so? do you have any idea of what our record has been like over this period?

Do you know that our loss today will be the first series loss in more than 2 years?

How do a team achieve that if they always play for a draw?
 

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Yea wonder they would look really good coming out saying we are going to block and leave like we have done all series and lose it again now can they.

PR nightmare bud.

they do not always play for a draw but for some reasons in this series they look like they are scared of the aussies and playing for draws rather than wins. Correct me if i am wrong but we do not look positive at all.
 

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what?? you you never actually read my post? just went forward, rolled your eyes and called me a fool?

You said...

i'm watching the game.

Why would the coach/captian constantly need to tell them what to do? there's a scrorecard? surely they can see what needs to be done? the batsmen in the middle talk to each other they dont just stand out there like robots and bat.

You want our last 5 batsmen to stand there and think for themselves on what needs to be done? WC 99, Donald, Klusener...?
Every over is different, Ponting changes the field constantly...
I promise you they were told to stay in and not worry about the score.


And the coach/captain cant tell them what to do with each ball. Of course they will have a general strategy/tactics, but you still have to play what you get in front of you.

Ok so you agree on general tactics, but at this point of the game the tactics are done every over, what happens when a wicket falls, do I play the bouncers or leave them...


And yes, of course they weren't told to NOT stick it out, that much should be obvious.

Not to stick it out? DO you think they said go for the boundaries? Steal singles?
 

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Yea wonder they would look really good coming out saying we are going to block and leave like we have done all series and lose it again now can they.

PR nightmare bud.

they do not always play for a draw but for some reasons in this series they look like they are scared of the aussies and playing for draws rather than wins. Correct me if i am wrong but we do not look positive at all.

well they were positive in their thinking i am sure. no one will ever know exactly what they would have said. I just dont agree that they were told to play for a draw. you don't have any proof they were, and I wont have any to the contrary. so pretty pointless argument at the end of the day.

But one thing is for sure, you dont go out there and try and smash a crap load of runs, just does notwork that way.
 

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So you out there and block and score 138 runs all out wonder? seems logical suppose :p

O well screw test cricket we are the best ODI team in the world :p
 

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You said...



Not to stick it out? DO you think they said go for the boundaries? Steal singles?

if a wicket falls, a new batsmen comes in, he would have been in the change room, so he would know what has been discussed, he will be informed on whatever has been decided. They would not need to send someone out with new tactics/instructions.

If a wicket does not fall, why would they need to change tactics/instructions every over? The state of the game is not going to change much from over to over. It will be the 2nd session till the tea, and we need to survive till the end of the day, that's where the game is, and that's where it will be till the end.

The last 5 batsmen don't need to "think for themselves", all they need to do is remember what they were told when they went out/ they discussed with their partner / or were told at the previous drinks break / glove change whatever. But that said, they are all professional cricketers which mean their knowledge is infinitely more than yours or mine combined
 

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So you out there and block and score 138 runs all out wonder? seems logical suppose :p

O well screw test cricket we are the best ODI team in the world :p

there is not just 2 options, block or smash.

you go out there and you play every ball as it comes, if its a bad ball you put it away, if its a good ball you make sure you don't go out, if you need to block it so be it.
 
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