2009 AUS tour to SA - Tests, T20s and ODIs

[stefan9]

Agreed with just about everything that killa said, which worries me.

Botha as captain is inspired and innovative, and always looks like he knows what he's going to do next to put the other team on the back foot. I don't think that Smith was able to impose himself as captain on that game.

But, back in reality-land, I don't think Smith is about to give up the captaincy unless another one of his hands gets broken.

You mean like he was super inspiring and innovative when we got thumped by the english in the odi series over there?? Botha has a good run against aus and suddenly he is the super captain.

Fact is we lost because our bowlers let the team and captain down. They never hit their areas consistently, only steyn and botha were good to decent the rest were very very poor. Toss also played a part as it always does at Durban.

It was a very poor performance. I would make 2 chances for the game on sunday. If kallis is fit he plays instead of amla if he isn't I would pick van der merwe instead of amla. I would also drop ntini and bring in parnell. For quite a while now ntini has shown he isn't an odi player, he is only good in the first 10 the rest of the time he travels due to having no slower ball and being incapable of bowling the yorker.

 

[Fiekus]

But it comes down to captaincy, Smithers allowed 90 runs in the last 10 overs! How can u take a power play at the 45 over against Aus batting line up?
Botha for captain!!!

Um... that is the batting power play when the batting side decides to take it....

 

[Smooth Criminal]

You mean like he was super inspiring and innovative when we got thumped by the english in the odi series over there?? Botha has a good run against aus and suddenly he is the super captain.

Biff was captain in England

 

[stefan9]

Biff was captain in England

No he went home after the tests with tennis elbow. Botha was odi captain.

 

[killadoob]

Well it was his first captaincy and as far as i remember we batted like crap, so having a good captain is pointless if you do not bat but smithers looked like he had no clue if you ask me.

You are correct in saying our bowlers let us down, parnel for ntini without doubt and why did steyn only end of bowling 9 yesterday?

 

[Smooth Criminal]

No he went home after the tests with tennis elbow. Botha was odi captain.

Ah yeah. Either way I don't think too much blame can fall on the captain - he probably let them get 30-40 more than they should have but it wasn't an impossible target to chase down. The bowlers bowled crap, the batsmen gave their wickets away and we lost the toss at a fscked up ground. It's Kingsmead so I expected a poor performance batting second, I'm sure we'll do better elsewhere

 

[stefan9]

Ah yeah. Either way I don't think too much blame can fall on the captain - he probably let them get 30-40 more than they should have but it wasn't an impossible target to chase down. The bowlers bowled crap, the batsmen gave their wickets away and we lost the toss at a fscked up ground. It's Kingsmead so I expected a poor performance batting second, I'm sure we'll do better elsewhere

Not if we lose the toss at newlands. Can't understand why they don't play day games at newlands and kingsmead. Its big of an advantage batting first at those two grounds in day/night matches. Rather play day/night games at centurion and co were its fair for both teams.

 

[JK8]

Lol you guys must be smoking your socks if u blaming the bowlers! The bowlers had Aus at 190/5 after 40 overs! Smithers field placing and poor guidance toward the bowlers at the end messed things up! But 280 is not an imposible target to chase! Regardless of d pitch! Ul finding excuses now. The pitch and weather had nothing to do with the fall of any wicket! Gibbs gave his wicket away, so did Smithers, de Viliers n Duminy. Prince should have definatly played!! The batsmen messed up! They didnt even come close to the target! The bowlers kept Aus under 300 thats par when playing against big teams!!

 

[killadoob]

Remember with the power play scoring 80-100 off the last 10 is not uncommon now jk, if you have 5 wickets in hand and 10 overs of which 5 are power play your in a good position.

How many did they score in the powerplay? ntini's last over went for 18 or 20 right? so i am thinking in the powerplay a good 60 odd runs?

How did de villiers give his wicket away exactly? he got a thick inside edge and was given out LBW? how do you stop that happening? maybe your thinking of someone else

 

[JK8]

Oops not de Viliers.
Boucher, N d Morkel that ran down the pitch and got stumped!
Oh well 4 games to go. Not the end yet.
But with Smithers there as captain and no Kallis or Prince. I wouldnt put my money on them.

 

[killadoob]

I am not saying anything until after sunday's game, every team has a bad day at the office and we have a shocker.

 

[stefan9]

Lol you guys must be smoking your socks if u blaming the bowlers! The bowlers had Aus at 190/5 after 40 overs! Smithers field placing and poor guidance toward the bowlers at the end messed things up! But 280 is not an imposible target to chase! Regardless of d pitch! Ul finding excuses now. The pitch and weather had nothing to do with the fall of any wicket! Gibbs gave his wicket away, so did Smithers, de Viliers n Duminy. Prince should have definatly played!! The batsmen messed up! They didnt even come close to the target! The bowlers kept Aus under 300 thats par when playing against big teams!!

The bowlers didn't not bowl in the block hole, they didn't not hit the yorker lenght. Go and compare how our bowlers bowled last night to how flintoff bowled vs the west indies. His field settings weren't much different to strauss, the difference was our bowlers didn't execute while flintoff did.

Batting second at kingsmead is very hard when the ball swings. We need to restrict them to 250, 280 is very very hard at that ground.

 

[killadoob]

even 250 would have been hard, 220 is a great total on that pitch to defend.

Once they hit 220 we were screwed .

 

[AirWolf]

I'll go for the middle ground between killa and chiskop with regards to walking when you are out: only walk if you are sure you are out AND there is a significant appeal by the opposition regardless of what the umpire does.

How can u take a power play at the 45 over against Aus batting line up?

Strike one.

Gibbs gave his wicket away, so did Smithers, de Viliers n Duminy. Prince should have definatly played!!

Strike two.

But with Smithers there as captain and no Kallis or Prince. I wouldnt put my money on them.

Strike three. [Kallis was only out for first ODI].

You should be banned from this thread.

Remember with the power play scoring 80-100 off the last 10 is not uncommon now jk, if you have 5 wickets in hand and 10 overs of which 5 are power play your in a good position.

How many did they score in the powerplay? ntini's last over went for 18 or 20 right? so i am thinking in the powerplay a good 60 odd runs?

How did de villiers give his wicket away exactly? he got a thick inside edge and was given out LBW? how do you stop that happening? maybe your thinking of someone else

We have a specialist T20 bowler, so why isn't he being used in the powerplay overs in ODIs? Using Ntini in the end was a very poor decision on the part of Smith.

Amla's walking put us on the back foot early on, and then the poor decision against AB probably finished us off. Poor decisions change matches - we can't speculate what might have been, had AB not been given out, but it does highlight the fact that appeals should be allowed in all forms of the game. With time restrictions being a key factor in shorter games, the number of appeals should be reduced to 2 in ODIs and maybe 1 in T20s. The technology exists, so why not use it?

 

[sand_man]

Amla's walking put us on the back foot early on, and then the poor decision against AB probably finished us off. Poor decisions change matches - we can't speculate what might have been, had AB not been given out, but it does highlight the fact that appeals should be allowed in all forms of the game. With time restrictions being a key factor in shorter games, the number of appeals should be reduced to 2 in ODIs and maybe 1 in T20s. The technology exists, so why not use it?

Agreed...

 

[The_Pumpkin_King]

an appeal would be less than useless if the batman walks

 

[Juggy]

Holy crap, the guys are bowling well this morning.

15/3

Parnell with 2 and Steyn with 1.

 

[N1sh]

Now 19/5

 

[The_Pumpkin_King]

fscking idiot smith! should have let steyn and parnell finish their 10overs

 

[The_Pumpkin_King]

aussies lowest ODI score is 70!

*prays*