Sign up with GoogleLogic and past history would dictate that. However, i think these new rules open it up to anyone. I can't see Button and Barrichello being on podium every race. They are good drivers but with Hamilton, Alonso, Kubica, Vettel, Massa, Raikkonen, i think it's just going to be too hard for them to remain on top for the whole season. Brawn do have really quick cars though so it wont be a walkover. Should be interesting to watch.
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2009 Australian Formula One Grand Prix
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Logic and past history would dictate that. However, i think these new rules open it up to anyone. I can't see Button and Barrichello being on podium every race. They are good drivers but with Hamilton, Alonso, Kubica, Vettel, Massa, Raikkonen, i think it's just going to be too hard for them to remain on top for the whole season. Brawn do have really quick cars though so it wont be a walkover. Should be interesting to watch.
I dunno hey vettel was not far off them in the race, whether this was due to fuel loads or not i am not sure but brawn to me did not look at as strong in the race as they did in quali.
The problem serget is that you can put all those drivers in bad cars and brawn will romp them along with williams and toyota when they get sorted.
If things keep on like this and toyota fix their flexible wing kuk then we could see ferrari and mclaren not getting into the top 6 race alot this season. Kubica and Vettel look to have decent cars atleast while the ferrari and mclaren look like they have tractors
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I hope this carries on because f1 needs a shake up and this is just amazing. Mclaren will struggle to get another podium if you ask me as you do not get this sort of luck every gp.
The problem serget is that you can put all those drivers in bad cars and brawn will romp them along with williams and toyota when they get sorted.
If things keep on like this and toyota fix their flexible wing kuk then we could see ferrari and mclaren not getting into the top 6 race alot this season. Kubica and Vettel look to have decent cars atleast while the ferrari and mclaren look like they have tractors
.I hope this carries on because f1 needs a shake up and this is just amazing
. Mclaren will struggle to get another podium if you ask me as you do not get this sort of luck every gp.Why is that? I am 100% sure that Kubica and vettel are making both those cars look good.
Button and barrichelo are both very solid drivers and lets be honest barrichelo was only not world champion purely because he was second fiddle to shummi, he was unlucky to have had shummi in the same ferrari.
I think that kubica is 50% of that bmw and so is vettel in his red bull. Look at webber and heidveld in the same cars. Torro tosso last year with vettel did not have a great car but vettel made it look pretty decent. kubica was in the running for the world championship while heidveld struggled to get points.
Good drivers can extract performance out of a car were there should not be any.
Button and barrichelo are both very solid drivers and lets be honest barrichelo was only not world champion purely because he was second fiddle to shummi, he was unlucky to have had shummi in the same ferrari.
I think that kubica is 50% of that bmw and so is vettel in his red bull. Look at webber and heidveld in the same cars. Torro tosso last year with vettel did not have a great car but vettel made it look pretty decent. kubica was in the running for the world championship while heidveld struggled to get points.
Good drivers can extract performance out of a car were there should not be any.
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I wonder where Button would have finished driving Hamiltons car this weekend and Hamilton, Buttons? Brawn GP have so clinically manufactured their vehicles to exploit the new rules and opposition that they dominated today's race with a has been and a wanna be...
Until all drivers compete in cars that are 100% identical in design and specification F1 will always be 90% car and 10% driver. I agree with Airwolf...
Having said that Vettel was solid in an average car until he crashed out... Clearly his error in judgment judging by his profuse apologies to his team..
Until all drivers compete in cars that are 100% identical in design and specification F1 will always be 90% car and 10% driver. I agree with Airwolf...
Having said that Vettel was solid in an average car until he crashed out... Clearly his error in judgment judging by his profuse apologies to his team..
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Exploit the rules? They designed a better car, 3 of them had the same idea.
One of comemtators said F1 is not a sport for the stupid, mclaren and ferrari should be kicked out for not seeing this, they have the biggest budgets and most money and their team of engineers can only moan because they were to stupid to think of it.
I wonder if ferrari had thought of this if they would have implemented it? of course they would have. Well i think with the all crashes i cannot see why button could not have done what hamilton did, if hamilton thinks he has a bad car maybe he should think how poor button has felt for the last few season driving at the back of the field. hamilton did not drive the car amazingly well, he drove and got lucky that 7-8 okes in front of him had problems, while coming from last to a podium looks amazing it does not tell the true story and that story is the mclaren is a kuk slow car. I would not be at all excited if i were hamilton or mclaren because they know deep down they got lucky and they know deep down they are racing the torro rosso's and force india's at the moment. Ferrari are not far behind them.
I am glad ferrari and mclaren are out of it because the accident we saw between kubica and vettel would not have happened if that happened to be mclaren and ferrari because they only know how to settle for points and not try and push for position. I think F1 needs ferrari and mclaren to be on the back foot and getting pummeled because it will be even better.
I think kubica and vettel are the 2 best f1 drivers in f1 and i also think button is a great driver who has never really had a half decent car.
One of comemtators said F1 is not a sport for the stupid, mclaren and ferrari should be kicked out for not seeing this, they have the biggest budgets and most money and their team of engineers can only moan because they were to stupid to think of it.
I wonder if ferrari had thought of this if they would have implemented it? of course they would have. Well i think with the all crashes i cannot see why button could not have done what hamilton did, if hamilton thinks he has a bad car maybe he should think how poor button has felt for the last few season driving at the back of the field. hamilton did not drive the car amazingly well, he drove and got lucky that 7-8 okes in front of him had problems, while coming from last to a podium looks amazing it does not tell the true story and that story is the mclaren is a kuk slow car. I would not be at all excited if i were hamilton or mclaren because they know deep down they got lucky and they know deep down they are racing the torro rosso's and force india's at the moment. Ferrari are not far behind them.
I am glad ferrari and mclaren are out of it because the accident we saw between kubica and vettel would not have happened if that happened to be mclaren and ferrari because they only know how to settle for points and not try and push for position. I think F1 needs ferrari and mclaren to be on the back foot and getting pummeled because it will be even better
.I think kubica and vettel are the 2 best f1 drivers in f1 and i also think button is a great driver who has never really had a half decent car.
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Exploit the rules? They designed a better car, 3 of them had the same idea.
One of comemtators said F1 is not a sport for the stupid, mclaren and ferrari should be kicked out for not seeing this, they have the biggest budgets and most money and their team of engineers can only moan because they were to stupid to think of it.
I wonder if ferrari had thought of this if they would have implemented it? of course they would have. Well i think with the all crashes i cannot see why button could not have done what hamilton did, if hamilton thinks he has a bad car maybe he should think how poor button has felt for the last few season driving at the back of the field. hamilton did not drive the car amazingly well, he drove and got lucky that 7-8 okes in front of him had problems, while coming from last to a podium looks amazing it does not tell the true story and that story is the mclaren is a kuk slow car. I would not be at all excited if i were hamilton or mclaren because they know deep down they got lucky and they know deep down they are racing the torro rosso's and force india's at the moment. Ferrari are not far behind them.
I am glad ferrari and mclaren are out of it because the accident we saw between kubica and vettel would not have happened if that happened to be mclaren and ferrari because they only know how to settle for points and not try and push for position. I think F1 needs ferrari and mclaren to be on the back foot and getting pummeled because it will be even better
I think kubica and vettel are the 2 best f1 drivers in f1 and i also think button is a great driver who has never really had a half decent car.
With the best car, any one of the drivers on the grid would be in a winning position. Granted a few extract a bit more from cars that are not the best.
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Surely not crashing is a testament to ones skill? I mean isn't half the point? Drive around the circuit as quickly as possible without crashing?
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That's nonsense!!! Many people (yourself included) were highly critical of Hamilton's aggressive driving, in particular in Japan I think it was.
No but that was mostly in the beginning of races, you do not settle for 3rd in the first lap or first few corners , last year was all exciting in the beginning with hamilton going mad and then massa pulling some crazy moves which was great but in the latter part of the race you could see they all settled for 1st 2nd and 3rd, granted i suppose when your 6 seconds behind you have no real chance of winning or catching up were as now you have super soft tyre so strategy is a huge factor. I would not moan about hamilton driving crazy because am a huge senna fan and he drives alot like senna . Maybe it was that race he just went flying into the first corner and never looked like he even tried to slow down, silly but racing none the less . do not recall making a huge thing about it though.
I do not recall criticizing him for racing, i recall criticizing him for cutting a corner and then over-taking kimi into the next one. I mean he did a ton of crazy stuff last season which i know i would not have said anything bad about.
You are right about the technical side of f1 without doubt but i do not recall anyone moaning about it when ferrari and mclaren were dominating
Bring on a1 f1 racing i say, stick them all in the same car and lets race but that cannot and will not ever happen.
, last year was all exciting in the beginning with hamilton going mad and then massa pulling some crazy moves which was great but in the latter part of the race you could see they all settled for 1st 2nd and 3rd, granted i suppose when your 6 seconds behind you have no real chance of winning or catching up were as now you have super soft tyre so strategy is a huge factor. I would not moan about hamilton driving crazy because am a huge senna fan and he drives alot like senna . Maybe it was that race he just went flying into the first corner and never looked like he even tried to slow down, silly but racing none the less . do not recall making a huge thing about it though.I do not recall criticizing him for racing, i recall criticizing him for cutting a corner and then over-taking kimi into the next one. I mean he did a ton of crazy stuff last season which i know i would not have said anything bad about
. You are right about the technical side of f1 without doubt but i do not recall anyone moaning about it when ferrari and mclaren were dominating
Bring on a1 f1 racing i say, stick them all in the same car and lets race but that cannot and will not ever happen.
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Now that would separate the men from the boys!!!!
Well done to Brawn GP
LOL the commentators were wondering how he was suddenly 3rd instead of 4th. Trulli is a cheater!
Edit: Trulli was disqualified for overtaking while the safety car was deployed so zero points for him
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Shame thats rather sad to be honest, he may have been confused or may not have seen something. Sad to hear they disqualified him because everyone is going on about hamilton going from 18th to 3rd but trulli started behind hamilton so if hamilton did so well then trulli did just as well.
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They didn't "disqualify" him it seems.. he got 25s added to his time.... pushed him way down the rankings.
killa : as for my hamilton cheating statement... I was responding to crazydude's Brawn cheating statement and was hoping he'd pick it up and attack me for it being a random unthought out statement... so I could do the same back at him
killa : as for my hamilton cheating statement... I was responding to crazydude's Brawn cheating statement and was hoping he'd pick it up and attack me for it being a random unthought out statement... so I could do the same back at him
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Don't get me wrong.. I'm not a hamilton fan at all, I think he's incredibly overrated... but he didn't cheat at all, he just got VERY lucky today
They didn't "disqualify" him it seems.. he got 25s added to his time.... pushed him way down the rankings.
killa : as for my hamilton cheating statement... I was responding to crazydude's Brawn cheating statement and was hoping he'd pick it up and attack me for it being a random unthought out statement... so I could do the same back at him
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Yep...the harder you practise the luckier you get.
One of Hamilton's biggest skills is overtaking...and isn't that what F1 is really about.
He kept overtaking until he was 6th, then 5th just before SC came out. Trulli knows the rules and knew the SC was there and he shouldn't overtake.
As for Vettel, Kubica et al...yes good drivers, but clearly the cars were faster on the straights than McClaren...
...and Hamilton in same situation would have made a cleaner manouver in overtaking.
All this talk about Hamilton having had fastest car- same as Kovalainen btw- how many rookies would have been in that situation to 'throw away' a championship.
And as for 'walking away'--how do you read that from the article? he said he "hadn't talked to any others...but would listen if they did...who wouldn't"...then joked about it.
Clearly you don't like him because he is good. It's called the "tall poppy syndrome" over here... the tall poppies (or successful) are cut down, because they get too good for our liking.
If, say Vettel wins F1, then some others will be trying to knock him down etc.
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