2009 Australian Formula One Grand Prix

[killadoob]

Hamilton did not over take many cars so i am not sure what you are talking about, he got to his position because of all the retirements, not sure were your getting he passed all these cars. He does not even have the car to get passed the force india without using KERS.

How do you know what hamilton would have done with that over-taking move? it is not like he is the most amazing driver and does make plenty errors. Give kubica or vettel the best car in f1 and see what happens, hamilton is just a driver who got lucky to get the best car for 2 seasons and almost threw it away in both seasons, he is no f1 GOD but a lucky guy . As airwolf said look at button he gets the best car and wins so it is expect that f1 drivers are all good but lack the required car to get anywhere.

 

[AirWolf]

Hamilton did not over take many cars so i am not sure what you are talking about, he got to his position because of all the retirements, not sure were your getting he passed all these cars. He does not even have the car to get passed the force india without using KERS.

How do you know what hamilton would have done with that over-taking move? it is not like he is the most amazing driver and does make plenty errors. Give kubica or vettel the best car in f1 and see what happens, hamilton is just a driver who got lucky to get the best car for 2 seasons and almost threw it away in both seasons, he is no f1 GOD but a lucky guy . As airwolf said look at button he gets the best car and wins so it is expect that f1 drivers are all good but lack the required car to get anywhere.

Yep. We all have our opinions on who we think is the best current F1 driver, but you will never be sure until all drivers are driving stock standard cars (which will never happen) or until a driver wins a championship in clearly inferior equipment (like the Schumie/Benetton days).

 

[AirWolf]

Anyone have any pics of what the different diffusers look like?

 

[sox63]

With Hamilton's third, does that mean if the "diffuser three" cars are found guilty at the appeal, he would be declared the winner of the GP?

 

[Serqet]

yip he would be!

 

[killadoob]

Yup but sox that is not going to happen man, there is nothing wrong with their design except that it is better.

 

[guru_pitka]

Yep...the harder you practise the luckier you get.

One of Hamilton's biggest skills is overtaking...and isn't that what F1 is really about.
He kept overtaking until he was 6th, then 5th just before SC came out. Trulli knows the rules and knew the SC was there and he shouldn't overtake.

As for Vettel, Kubica et al...yes good drivers, but clearly the cars were faster on the straights than McClaren...

...and Hamilton in same situation would have made a cleaner manouver in overtaking.

All this talk about Hamilton having had fastest car- same as Kovalainen btw- how many rookies would have been in that situation to 'throw away' a championship.

And as for 'walking away'--how do you read that from the article? he said he "hadn't talked to any others...but would listen if they did...who wouldn't"...then joked about it.

Clearly you don't like him because he is good. It's called the "tall poppy syndrome" over here... the tall poppies (or successful) are cut down, because they get too good for our liking.

If, say Vettel wins F1, then some others will be trying to knock him down etc.

cheers

i agree with you 100% it was the same with Schumacher ,most people said that senna was better that him ,an if Senna never died he woulda,coulda,shoulda and im a mclaren fan but i have repect for what Schui did in this sport ,people will always try and knock the guys at the top ,it happens in all sport

 

[sox63]

Yup but sox that is not going to happen man, there is nothing wrong with their design except that it is better.

Just wondering on what could happen. I agree with you, the teams just interpreted the rules better than all the other teams.

 

[[OUPA]MrNutz]

Anyone have any pics of what the different diffusers look like?

http://www.f1network.net/boards/report/s491.htm?936,10294119

 

[SirFooK'nG]

After listening to Reubens after the race, he clearly stated that the "issue" around the diffuser on the Brawn is a complete load of hog wash, Cause he raced the entire event with a broken diffuser after turn 1, lap 1! Its just obvious that Ross Brawn knows how to do the business, just look at his record with Ferrari during Schumi's reign on F1! I'm totaly excited for this season!! what a pleasure to see everyone so close. GREAT STUFF !!!

 

[guru_pitka]

After listening to Reubens after the race, he clearly stated that the "issue" around the diffuser on the Brawn is a complete load of hog wash, Cause he raced the entire event with a broken diffuser after turn 1, lap 1! Its just obvious that Ross Brawn (who actually is an ex-south african!!!) knows how to do the business, just look at his record with Ferrari during Schumi's reign on F1! I'm totaly excited for this season!! what a pleasure to see everyone so close. GREAT STUFF !!!

why is everyone saying that he is south african

Ross Brawn (born in Manchester, November 23, 1954) is a British motorsport engineer and team owner. He has worked for a number of Formula One teams, serving as the technical director of the championship-winning Benetton and Ferrari teams. He took a sabbatical from the sport in 2007 but returned to F1 for the 2008 season as Team Principal of Honda.[1] He is currently owner of the Brawn GP team, which acquired the Honda team in early 2009.

am i missing something here

 

[SirFooK'nG]

why is everyone saying that he is south african



am i missing something here

Ok ... Cr^p, got it wrong, was thinking of Rory Byrne ... my oops, "Sorry I was wrong, I stand corrected!"

Rory Byrne was the Ferrari Designer

 

[RVFmal]

Let Trulli Through

Based on this, Trulli should be reinstated as 3rd place finisher as Trulli did not pass him under racing conditions, but because Mclaren made a mistake/misjudgement (just like the one Trulli made to let Hamilton through initially).

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This will lead to an interesting debate

 

[sand_man]

Don't get me wrong.. I'm not a hamilton fan at all, I think he's incredibly overrated... but he didn't cheat at all, he just got VERY lucky today

Yeah very lucky and the whole of last season too.. and the season before that... He should rather play the lottery instead of wasting his time in F1..

 

[sand_man]

Hamilton did not over take many cars so i am not sure what you are talking about, he got to his position because of all the retirements, not sure were your getting he passed all these cars. He does not even have the car to get passed the force india without using KERS.

How do you know what hamilton would have done with that over-taking move? it is not like he is the most amazing driver and does make plenty errors. Give kubica or vettel the best car in f1 and see what happens, hamilton is just a driver who got lucky to get the best car for 2 seasons and almost threw it away in both seasons, he is no f1 GOD but a lucky guy . As airwolf said look at button he gets the best car and wins so it is expect that f1 drivers are all good but lack the required car to get anywhere.

I can see we going to have a repeat of the same old discussions that we had last season....

 

[killadoob]

Would you agree sandman he got to 3rd on good fortune as opposed to amazing driving?

Just a thought. Nobody is putting hammi down just like trulli was lucky to get third.

I hope they give trulli his 3rd back, your not allowed to over-take so letting him through again is correct surely and trulli taking his place back is surely the correct thing, shame from pitlane to 3rd and they want to take it away because his tyre's were cold.

You get me all wrong sandman, i am tired of people treating hamilton as they he is gods gift to F1, he was lucky in getting a good drive straight up and took his chances. I just get agitated when like this wekeend again he comes from last to 4th and everyone is like wow what a driver but trulli who came from the pitlane behind hamilton to 3rd gets nothing said about his performance which was even more remarkable.

Hamilton is just a f1 driver and not GODS gift to the sport and yes both hamilton and trulli are lucky to have been so high up and barrichelo is even luckier to have finished 2nd

Luck favours the brave though

 

[Serqet]

He started LAST on the grid killadoob. He deserves to have the credit. He drove himself into 4th place. They didn't all just move to the side for him to pass. Not any old f1 driver can do that or they all would. He has skill!

 

[killadoob]

Trulli started behind hamilton, as in he started from the pitlane and finished in front of hamilton, who really has skill?

8 drivers basically moved to the side for him to the side of the track or moved into the wall hehe.

I dunno why is hamilton called skilled and amazing when he finishes 4th but trulli finishes 3rd from the pitlane and does not get a mention? I guess your only skilled and amazing when driving a mclaren or ferrari

 

[RVFmal]

He started LAST on the grid killadoob. He deserves to have the credit. He drove himself into 4th place. They didn't all just move to the side for him to pass. Not any old f1 driver can do that or they all would. He has skill!

Was Jarno's drive from further back than Hamiltons to a position in front of him any less remarkable? Why is no-one singing the praises of his drive, but instead lambasting him for passing Hamilton (or should we be saying being let through by Hamilton).

I appreciate fantastic drives by any means, but must admit that there was nothing remarkable about Hamilton's drive through the field (nor Trulli's for that matter).

 

[killadoob]

Remember hamilton started last on the grid hey, trulli and glock started last in terms of the field.