2009 Brazilian Formula One Grand Prix

[OzzieCapie]

I'm really surprised that Vettel did so badly (or rather the okes in charge set up his car so badly). He is the best wet weather driver around at the mo IMO.

I'm going to miss the race (got dinner at a fancy restaurant in CT), so enjoy it. Maybe it clears, then Vettel and the Hamster will still have a chance

The very start of that qual had lots of water, vettel at that stage around 1:39...suddenly it cleared up and first hamilton then the rest were clocking mid 1:20's ...by the time hamilton , vettel etc came around again it was raining heavily...and hamilton intimated that he had a dry set up.

So there was a very short window in which the dry set up guys had a chance....wonder what the weather is going to be like...just checked, apparently 50% showers...tomorrow 100% rain....even chance for dry race.

 

[killadoob]

I am waiting to see before i make my superbru picks.

Actually vettel kept catching traffic and by the time he had a clear track it was to wet to put in a decent time, they should not have waited like they did because it was not going to get drier.

 

[reddevilandy10]

I am waiting to see before i make my superbru picks.

Actually vettel kept catching traffic and by the time he had a clear track it was to wet to put in a decent time, they should not have waited like they did because it was not going to get drier.

If it stays dry, my bet's on Alonso. If it rains, gonna have to fancy Mark or Rosberg. Should be a cracker either way! Wonder if Rubens will finally break his home GP duck

 

[Willie Trombone]

Wot a race! Button had a stunner to win the WC - really cool way to do it - he pwned most everyone he came across...
And Hamilton drove like an ace to come from 17th to 3rd - in the current conditions I would say that was the drive of the year.
Gotta feel for Rubinho - looked so good to start with but still, they did it for Brawn. It was cool to see Button's dad crying at the end - such a long wait for a talented driver to get a good drive. Jensen really deserved it this year.
Lol@kimi and kovi coming together then kovi setting him alight in revenge.
As for the close fist fight - I honestly don't know what that was about... he came from the outside to take him off the track and hit into the back... then whinged that he was wronged... lol

 

[reddevilandy10]

Wot a race! Button had a stunner to win the WC - really cool way to do it - he pwned most everyone he came across...
And Hamilton drove like an ace to come from 17th to 3rd - in the current conditions I would say that was the drive of the year.
Gotta feel for Rubinho - looked so good to start with but still, they did it for Brawn. It was cool to see Button's dad crying at the end - such a long wait for a talented driver to get a good drive. Jensen really deserved it this year.
Lol@kimi and kovi coming together then kovi setting him alight in revenge.
As for the close fist fight - I honestly don't know what that was about... he came from the outside to take him off the track and hit into the back... then whinged that he was wronged... lol

Button's best drive since forever. Well done Jenson!! He totally deserves it.

 

[AirWolf]

Well done to Button and Brawn.

 

[Creag]

Well done to Button and Brawn.

+1

Here's hoping Ferrari have a better season in twenty-ten. :erm:

BTW ... what a race this was. Thrills and spills, as they say.

Well done, Mark! Well done, Red Bull Racing!

 

[Abe]

Button's best drive since forever. Well done Jenson!! He totally deserves it.

If he was so brilliant, why did Hamilton and Vettel who both started behind him on the grid end up in front of him? He also got bloody lucky with all of the crashes etc at the start.

It feels to me like Brawn sabotaged Barrichello. They really loaded him with fuel at his first stop so he ended up in traffic and really slow. He had so much fuel that he only put in 6.5 seconds of fuel with 25 laps to go where Button put in 6 seconds of fuel with 15 laps to go. With Barrichello leaving at the end of the year, there is no way they were going to lose the no. 1.

 

[killadoob]

If he was so brilliant, why did Hamilton and Vettel who both started behind him on the grid end up in front of him? He also got bloody lucky with all of the crashes etc at the start.

It feels to me like Brawn sabotaged Barrichello. They really loaded him with fuel at his first stop so he ended up in traffic and really slow. He had so much fuel that he only put in 6.5 seconds of fuel with 25 laps to go where Button put in 6 seconds of fuel with 15 laps to go. With Barrichello leaving at the end of the year, there is no way they were going to lose the no. 1.

Well abe i thought button drove like a world champion today.

Hamilton and vettel as well, awesome drives. I am so sad the refueling has been down away with next year , brings so much excitement. Remember button did not have as good a car as the ham and vettel today. What he did though was pretty impressive, for the first time in a long he drove like he did not care. He has been far to careful in the last few races.

I doubt they sabotaged rubens, he had to little fuel to start with. He was always going to land behind those cars because he did not have enough laps to make the time up.

 

[reddevilandy10]

That's a theory. I don't think Ross Brawn is that diabolical though. Button worked for his position. The Brawn wasn't the fastest car on the grid. But, my heart really goes out to Rubens though. That's 17 times he's started his home GP and yet to win it. And don't get me wrong, I wanted to see a Rubens, Vettel, Kimi podium to take it to Abu Dhabi, but Button did a good enough job.

 

[Abe]

button did not have as good a car as the ham and vettel today. What he did though was pretty impressive, for the first time in a long he drove like he did not care. He has been far to careful in the last few races.

He has the same car as Barrichello and Barrichello was faster then Hamilton. IMO, he did not drive well today, he was borderline dangerous. On a couple of occasions, other drivers had to take evasive action to avoid an accident. Thats reckless, not good. If you want to see a good driver, take a look at Vettel. He had an inferior car for about half the season and still only ended up a few points shy of button.

In fact after 7 races, Button had a lead of 37 points over Vettel and 31 over Barrichello. Right now the lead is only 15 points over Vettel and 17 over Barrichello (would have been a lot less with a little less bad luck). Thats not the sign of a champion. It's not even like he has crashed out or had car failures, he has just been persistently out driven over the second half of the seaon. To make matters worse, Vettel has actually gained 22 points on Button despite not finishing twice in those races (technical failures).

 

[Abe]

That's a theory. I don't think Ross Brawn is that diabolical though.

How does one explain the fuel though? Did they just bring him in 10 laps early for the hell of it?

 

[reddevilandy10]

How does one explain the fuel though? Did they just bring him in 10 laps early for the hell of it?

I think that had a lot to do with traffic. After seeing where Rubens ended up, they decided to stop Jenson earlier. But, only Brawn and his team will know the real reason.

 

[Abe]

I think that had a lot to do with traffic. After seeing where Rubens ended up, they decided to stop Jenson earlier. But, only Brawn and his team will know the real reason.

I was talking more about Rubens second stop. He had clear air in front of him and all of a sudden came into the pits. He could not have needed fuel as they only put in 6.5 seconds of fuel which carried him to the end.

 

[reddevilandy10]

I was talking more about Rubens second stop. He had clear air in front of him and all of a sudden came into the pits. He could not have needed fuel as they only put in 6.5 seconds of fuel which carried him to the end.

That was for the softer tyres wasn't it?

 

[killadoob]

So barrichello was faster than hamilton? How do you come to that conclusion? Hamilton was all over barrichello for most of the race i cannot understand how you say barrichelo was faster. Hamilton was faster than barrichelo.

Why is he not worthy of being champion? Why is driving like he did so bad, damn even when hamilton was driving like a mad man even though i thought it was dangerous this is f1, i mean WTF do you want to watch racing or people playing it safe? If anything he is a worthy champion because his car has not been performing yet he is world champion, the like of vettel and rubens had plenty opportunity to close the gap they never did.

I wish f1 was more like what we saw from button and what we have seen from hamilton. I would rather see that dangerous risk driving than what we have been saying of late.

You say he has been out driven for the second half of the season but he out drove everyone in the first half so what is your point? My point is he was fantastic upfront and won 6 races, even though he has been badly off form there is not another driver who would match his wins so i cannot understand you comments. I could understand them if vettel or rubens had a run of 6 gp wins in 7 races but that is not the case.

This is what you say: He had an inferior car for about half the season and still only ended up a few points shy of button.

Button had an inferior car for the last half of the season, again what is your point? Button has been struggling with his car's setup for quite a few races, considering how many bad results he has had it is amazing he is world champion, the main reason is nobody else could rack up the wins they needed, he did.

 

[reddevilandy10]

So barrichello was faster than hamilton? How do you come to that conclusion? Hamilton was all over barrichello for most of the race i cannot understand how you say barrichelo was faster. Hamilton was faster than barrichelo.

Why is he not worthy of being champion? Why is driving like he did so bad, damn even when hamilton was driving like a mad man even though i thought it was dangerous this is f1, i mean WTF do you want to watch racing or people playing it safe? If anything he is a worthy champion because his car has not been performing yet he is world champion, the like of vettel and rubens had plenty opportunity to close the gap they never did.

I wish f1 was more like what we saw from button and what we have seen from hamilton. I would rather see that dangerous risk driving than what we have been saying of late.

Like Kimi, Alonso and Montoya back in the day too!

 

[killadoob]

From a lot of drivers dude, shummi, senna, kimi, alonso etc.

Just saying this season has not been great because nobody has been aggressive and the guy that are have not had the car to do it.

 

[reddevilandy10]

From a lot of drivers dude, shummi, senna, kimi, alonso etc.

Just saying this season has not been great because nobody has been aggressive and the guy that are have not had the car to do it.

Well, just in recent memory I mean. And I agree with you there. I still think there should be points awarded for the fastest lap and qualifying in the top three. Would make the drivers really have to push.

 

[killadoob]

No dude they need to change f1, they need to make it easier to over take even if they had to slow the cars down.

There are far to many tracks where over taking is impossible. More mechanical grip is what i heard one of the commentators mention.