2009 Brazilian Formula One Grand Prix

[Abe]

So barrichello was faster than hamilton? How do you come to that conclusion? Hamilton was all over barrichello for most of the race i cannot understand how you say barrichelo was faster. Hamilton was faster than barrichelo.

He was all over the back of Barrichello in the middle section because he had far less fuel. Barrichello had just made a stop and Hamilton was due to make a stop.

Fastest lap times for the race:

01 M. Webber Red Bull 1:13.733
02 S. Vettel Red Bull 1:13.890
03 R. Barrichello Brawn 1:13.950
04 R. Kubica BMW 1:14.155
05 H. Kovalainen McLaren 1:14.303
06 L. Hamilton McLaren 1:14.345
07 J. Button Brawn 1:14.353

Notice how Barrichello is a good 1/2 second faster then Hamilton.

Why is he not worthy of being champion? Why is driving like he did so bad, damn even when hamilton was driving like a mad man even though i thought it was dangerous this is f1, i mean WTF do you want to watch racing or people playing it safe? If anything he is a worthy champion because his car has not been performing yet he is world champion, the like of vettel and rubens had plenty opportunity to close the gap they never did.

I am all for excitement but it should not be at the expense of safety.

Button had an inferior car for the last half of the season, again what is your point? Button has been struggling with his car's setup for quite a few races, considering how many bad results he has had it is amazing he is world champion, the main reason is nobody else could rack up the wins they needed, he did.

He may have been struggling with the setup but you can't say his car has been inferior for the second half of the season. Had that been the case, Barrichello would not have won two races. The second half of the season was far more competitive with 5 drivers sharing the wins.

The Brawn were completely dominant for the first 7 races because of the split diffuser. Once the teams became competitive, it was anyones game. To say that he won 6 out of the first 7 races had nothing to do with his brilliant genius behind the wheel but to do with the competitive advantage of his car.

 

[reddevilandy10]

No dude they need to change f1, they need to make it easier to over take even if they had to slow the cars down.

There are far to many tracks where over taking is impossible. More mechanical grip is what i heard one of the commentators mention.

I agree with the tracks. Some you can't pass at.

The thing is, how much slower do you make these cars? They might as well use the GP2 series as F1 cars then. They changed the regs after an awesome 2007 and 2008 season. I don't know why they decided it needs changing but anyway, it's F1, they're gonna push the envelope of engineering and sooner than later we will be back at the exact same point we started at. It's different if they let designers do as they please regarding mechanical, but they limited aero design. That's all.

The cars are already lapping at the same pace they did last season. The only way to get interesting racing again is to remove the wings from the cars, but that is dangerous (can imagine that the FIA and FOTA would say that).

Besides, Button proved today that if you just go out and race, you can pass people!! Interlagos is not the most difficult track to pass on but it wasn't even a grippy surface due to all the rain on Saturday. It was green! And he still make most of his moves stick.

 

[Willie Trombone]

for the first time in a long he drove like he did not care. He has been far to careful in the last few races.

Although I think he has driven like that often, this time he had a car to support him... that was the crux - he was prepared to go for broke when he didn't need to... that's what makes for exciting racing, ask Hamilton.

 

[Willie Trombone]

He was all over the back of Barrichello in the middle section because he had far less fuel. Barrichello had just made a stop and Hamilton was due to make a stop.

Fastest lap times for the race:

01 M. Webber Red Bull 1:13.733
02 S. Vettel Red Bull 1:13.890
03 R. Barrichello Brawn 1:13.950
04 R. Kubica BMW 1:14.155
05 H. Kovalainen McLaren 1:14.303
06 L. Hamilton McLaren 1:14.345
07 J. Button Brawn 1:14.353

Notice how Barrichello is a good 1/2 second faster then Hamilton.



I am all for excitement but it should not be at the expense of safety.



He may have been struggling with the setup but you can't say his car has been inferior for the second half of the season. Had that been the case, Barrichello would not have won two races. The second half of the season was far more competitive with 5 drivers sharing the wins.

The Brawn were completely dominant for the first 7 races because of the split diffuser. Once the teams became competitive, it was anyones game. To say that he won 6 out of the first 7 races had nothing to do with his brilliant genius behind the wheel but to do with the competitive advantage of his car.

Let's use your logic to say that Red Bull destroyed Vettel's race. Somehow it doesn't work ne?

 

[killadoob]

Abe you keep going on about rubens has out driven him in the second half of the season right? Explain why rubens could do nothing in the first 7 races while button went on 2 win 6 of those races in the exact same car?

Why do you keep going on about rubens doing better than button yet you fail to remember button crushed rubens in the beginning of the season in the same car. Explain please.

 

[Kompete]

Well done Button!

 

[Abe]

Let's use your logic to say that Red Bull destroyed Vettel's race. Somehow it doesn't work ne?

Sorry, I don't have a clue what you are saying.

 

[Abe]

Abe you keep going on about rubens has out driven him in the second half of the season right? Explain why rubens could do nothing in the first 7 races while button went on 2 win 6 of those races in the exact same car?

Why do you keep going on about rubens doing better than button yet you fail to remember button crushed rubens in the beginning of the season in the same car. Explain please.

I did not say that Rubens should be the champion. I was saying that Button drove like cr#p during the second half of the season and thats not the sign of a champion. The only reason why he won the championship was because the Brawns had a clear advantage car wise for the first part of the season.

Barrichello drove badly for the first half of the season so he didn't deserve to be the WDC either. My point was this: Button sat on his laurels for most of the season after winning 6 of the first 7 races. Thats not the sign of a champion.

 

[HapticSimian]

Meh...

I'm very happy for ol' Ross - having dragged BAR out of the mire his double-championship must be sweet. Button as champ? Doesn't excite me in the least... I see Trulli got a $10k PK for his confrontation of Sutil after their little mishap.

 

[ALFAHOLIC]

I have to admit I'm happy yet unsatisfied with button's win...I wanted it to be a clash in Dubai between Button, Barrichelo and Sebastien!

But anyway, good drive by Button, real Kamakazi style as he passed EVERYONE in that first corner with late braking skills to rival the BEST!!!

I do also believe that Truli is wrong in that accident...he cannot overtake on THE OUTSIDE in that corner, even on XBOX its bloody near impossible, you NEED to follow that line in order to get a great line for the following corner...simple!

Oh, anyone liked Sutil's drift in practice??? OOOOH yeah seeing an F1 car drift like that is memorable!!!

 

[killadoob]

He can over-take round the outside but he must realize that sutil would not see him coming plus kimi was limping with a broken wing.

Trulli what happened is what i call racing , good old fashion f1 racing.

Also we have not mentioned kubica much, i mean 2nd place in a dog of a car is pretty special

 

[ALFAHOLIC]

Ja...that also upset me...Kubica and Webber NEVER get podiums, on the day they get podiums, Jensen has to steal the show!!! That was kinda lame!

 

[Willie Trombone]

I dunno - I thought Jensen was hard done by - they got podiums and interviews. Of course Jensen should get the limelight - it was the whole years effort... maybe they should rethink the whole thing...

I do agree with you to some extent, but for Mark and Kubica it was just another race... great performance aside. Don't forget the quali - if it was dry, dunno if they would have even had a shot... perhaps Mark?

 

[ALFAHOLIC]

The thing should be rethought .... just upset that Sebastien Loeb, the flying Fin, could not drive for Torro Rosso in Abu Dabi...bloody FIA!