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Australia going pretty well at 170/2 after 32 overs.

If the previous three day/night games are anything to go by, the team batting first has a distinct advantage. Bye-Bye India.
 
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AirWolf said:
Australia going pretty well at 168/2 after 31 overs.

If the previous three day/night games are anything to go by, the team batting first has a distinct advantage. Bye-Bye India.
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Only if they score 250+
 
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OzzieCapie said:
I believe that the English team didn't require passports and are saving lots of money staying with family:D:p
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You know what they do when they have free time in South Africa; they visit with mommy and daddy :eek:
 
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The fact that we crossed 300 chasing under lights was a brilliant effort. There's nothing wrong with the batting (apart from Duminy IMO). It's the bowling and that needs to be rectified - once again there's too much complacency and everyone is too comfortable that their place is guaranteed. It was the same story when Ntini was playing match after match without being held accountable, yet after dropping him we suddenly started winning consistently again. The guys need to play each match as if their place depends on it.

Whoever was responsible for the preparation also needs to come under close scrutiny. Knowing that they haven't played a match in 5 months, more effort should have gone into the prep. I'm not sure where they came up with this BS that one week's prep was enough to win the tournament.

It's usually dumb when the team performs badly and everyone points fingers at the coach and captain first. Smith can only work with what he's given, and if he's given bowlers who can't bowl then it isn't his fault. Authur on the other had I suspect should take some flak. As coach, it's his responsibility for rallying the troops and making sure that they're match-fit, even if it means an extra 2 weeks of training to shake off the rustiness.
 
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Nothing wrong with the batting? i beg to differ, smithers scores 141 runs the other batsmen could not even get the other required runs? There is something very wrong.
 
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killadoob said:
Is cramp lack of fitness or is the stop start running style of cricket a problem?
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Same thing...lack of fitness to run 150 stop start 20m runs at a frequency of less than one/2 minutes (inc 2's and 3' s)

No need to train for running 10km...train to run stop start.

You will find masters guys doing more than that, faster than that in a single Futsal game and then play 8 games in a weekend comp, plus get pissed on both nights...and they are amateurs doing it for nothing.

Pros on such big money have no excuses not to be fit.
 
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krycor said:
ga cricinfo gave points for a washed out game :( that sucks.. ass.
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It is probably because the performances of the players would be recognised and accounted for in the ICC's stats despite it being washed out.
 
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Nope you cannot use your ticket for the next game because of a rained out game.

In some cases the event organisers issue partial refunds, but you will heard about that from computicket if anything at all is given out.
 
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Smooth Criminal said:
The fact that we crossed 300 chasing under lights was a brilliant effort. There's nothing wrong with the batting (apart from Duminy IMO). It's the bowling and that needs to be rectified - once again there's too much complacency and everyone is too comfortable that their place is guaranteed. It was the same story when Ntini was playing match after match without being held accountable, yet after dropping him we suddenly started winning consistently again. The guys need to play each match as if their place depends on it.

Whoever was responsible for the preparation also needs to come under close scrutiny. Knowing that they haven't played a match in 5 months, more effort should have gone into the prep. I'm not sure where they came up with this BS that one week's prep was enough to win the tournament.

It's usually dumb when the team performs badly and everyone points fingers at the coach and captain first. Smith can only work with what he's given, and if he's given bowlers who can't bowl then it isn't his fault. Authur on the other had I suspect should take some flak. As coach, it's his responsibility for rallying the troops and making sure that they're match-fit, even if it means an extra 2 weeks of training to shake off the rustiness.
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Making 300 means nothing, they lost the "run rate win" the game and the competition... they never crossed the line, all it means is it was a good batting wicket.
When you have a good batting wicket its the bowling, fielding and good captaincy that wins the game.
Anybody compared Andersons bowling to any of our bowlers? He was brilliant!
Ntini is still good, but once you work him out he can be a problem, as with any bowler.

Id like to think Smithers saved himself by playing a good innings, but if Shah took that catch when Smith was on 50 - 60 what would you say about him?
His captaincy towards the end of the Eng innings was pathetic, taking nothing away from Morgan who was a surprise, he played a match winning innings, the fielding team did nothing about that... 12 6's VS 2 6's???
Smith lost that game in the last 10 overs fielding, tried to save the game, 330 was a huge task, and going by previous records, its not easy to chase 300 at Centurion.
 
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Nope you cannot use your ticket for the next game because of a rained out game.

In some cases the event organisers issue partial refunds, but you will heard about that from computicket if anything at all is given out.
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Thanks, because the carguard told me if only one innings was played the next game would be free.
 
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OzzieCapie said:
Same thing...lack of fitness to run 150 stop start 20m runs at a frequency of less than one/2 minutes (inc 2's and 3' s)

No need to train for running 10km...train to run stop start.

You will find masters guys doing more than that, faster than that in a single Futsal game and then play 8 games in a weekend comp, plus get pissed on both nights...and they are amateurs doing it for nothing.

Pros on such big money have no excuses not to be fit.
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Explain why a footballer who is super fit also fails victim to cramp then?

I am not convinced cramped is due to lack of fitness.
 
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There are a number of causes of cramping:[1] hyperflexion; hypoxia; exposure to large changes in temperature; dehydration; low blood salt; or low blood calcium. Muscle cramps may also be a symptom or complication of pregnancy, kidney disease, thyroid disease, hypokalemia or hypocalcemia (as conditions), restless legs syndrome, varicose veins,[2] and multiple sclerosis.[3]

Electrolyte disturbance may cause cramping and tetany of muscles, particularly hypokalaemia (a low level of potassium) and hypocalcaemia (a low level of calcium). This disturbance arises as the body loses large amounts of interstitial fluid through sweat. This interstitial fluid is composed mostly of water and table salt (sodium chloride). The loss of osmotically active particles outside muscle cells leads to a disturbance of the osmotic balance and swelling of muscle cells as these contain more osmotically active particles. This causes the calcium pump between the muscle lumen and sarcoplasmic reticulum to short circuit and the calcium ions remain bound to the troponin and the muscle contraction is continued. This may occur when the lactic acid is high in the cells.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cramp

It's hardly related to fitness. Strauss was talking k@k when he said that it is. Cramp can affect any cricketer at any time. Smith was in the field all day when it was hot, and then batted through the entire innings when it was much cooler. How many other cricketers in the match have had to do the same? How would you guys explain AB and Gibbs cramping up? They must be unfit too :rolleyes:
 
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