2009 Malaysian Formula One Grand Prix

AirWolf

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What exactly did he lie about?:confused: He did say in an interview that Macca ordered him to let Trulli through, so all the officials had to do was reverse Trulli's 25 second penalty. Why did they now disqualify Hamilton?

I'm not a Hamilton fan, but something smells rotten here:sick:.
 

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I think what he said and what was said over the radio communication is what has happened, i have no idea what was said over the radio but the 2 versions must have different or something.

Hamilton is a sneaky:

"I think Lewis then saw half a chance of a third place instead of a fourth, went up to the stewards and didn't give them the full story.

"Now they've matched up his comments (to them) to radio content between him and the team, and other information they've gathered, and they've decided that effectively he was telling fibs.

"I think it's a big issue and it's not going to go away. If they were asked a direct question they should have given the right answer, and they clearly didn't."

So he went to the stewards and claimed trulli passed to try and get the place back after slowing down to the point trulli had no choice and then lied to everyone.
Justice has been served to the lil cheater.

Airwolf the only thing that is rotten is Hamilton, this story comes from bbc and if you go read their f1 page you can see they do not even disagree or have anything to say on the matter in terms of standing up for hamilton, guilty and DQ rightfully so.
 
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Hamilton is a sneaky:

OK, I'll bite ;)

This action is not surprising given Ecclestone et al's antagonism to McClaren and vice versa of course...but it is a bit surprising that they did it in first race.

Hamilton witheld some radio communication apparently...so 'lied by ommission'.

But think about it...what did he have to gain?

He was probably 4th at the time the SC pulled out. Trulli went wide, Hamilton slowed but still had no choice to pass...technically correct so far because Trulli made a 'mistake' in SC zone (similar to Vettel being passed).
McClaren are then worried that he 'may have' done an incorrect overtake (they were not sure), tells Hamilton to slow down and let Trulli pass---this did happen---you can always sort it out afterwards.

Hamilton goes to stewards, tells them that he was in 3rd and slowed down, omits the McClaren orders (radio comm) and they give Trulli penalty.

These stewards either have no idea how to make a penalty fit a crime, or they have their own agenda's.

Firstly Trulli should not have been given a penalty..the positions should just have been reversed.
And then when they found out about the instructions (because hamilton was quite overt about it to press) ..what difference does it make why he slowed and who told him to do so.

What they should really be concerned about is that when both Hamilton passed Trulli (Trulli's mistake) and subsequently Trulli passed Hamilton, both drivers were not 100% sure they were doing the right thing.

So quite obviously their laws are not clear enough at all that drivers do not know what the correct thing is.
You could even see this when Vettel was down to 5km/h on three wheels, drivers were still 'scared' to pass.

But its not like F1 to admit that they have a problem with the clarity of their laws in practice.

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Airwolf the only thing that is rotten is Hamilton, this story comes from bbc and if you go read their f1 page you can see they do not even disagree or have anything to say on the matter in terms of standing up for hamilton, guilty and DQ rightfully so.

The BBC rarely gives opinion on their news pages to be fair, they aren't really allowed to, it's when they have "guest writers" that opinions are expressed, when someone writes a column.

They can't be seen to be biased in any way as they are a public funded corporation. If you go to sky sports and read the article there I'm betting there will be an opinion of sorts :D

Back on topic, while I think Hamilton is talented and will probably acheive the same or similar to Schumacher, sometimes I get the feeling that the Maclaren team makes a rod for it's own back, not doing themselves any favours, you would think after the last debacle that they wold play things a bit more straight and narrow..... I'm tipping Kubica for the title this year...
 

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Ozzie i am sorry but i do not see the whole fia vs mclaren here, i think mclaren got confused allowed trulli through, then they thought they could get 3rd back by going to the stewards.

Quite simple, what hamilton said and what was said over the radio is not the same, What i cannot for the life of me understand is why go to the stewards after you have made the mistake and allowed trulli through. I think if hamilton did not go to them and lie then it would not be such a huge issue.

Hamilton will not acheive what shummi did for a few reasons:

When shummi was around there was not alot of talent chasing him for 2 seasons, so shummi had amazing talent and good cars. maybe 1 or 2 decent drivers plus shummi. yes i know the likes of haikkenen and what not but shummi dominate f1 like nobody ever will again.
Hamilton had a good car for 2 years won only once in a good car, he has more than likely 8-10 very talented drivers right up his tail now with better cars. Only when alonso came around did shummi have some talent. F1 is so full of talent that i cannot see hamilton ever dominating like shummi did. Look at last year everyone talks like hamilton dominated the field when infact with 4 corners to go he had lost it and he won less races than the 2nd, i remember the years when shummi had the championship wrapped up by the 12th gp. I thank the Lord everyday alsono came around because i was on the verge of not watching f1 and it never excited me watching shummi win just about every race.
 
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Looks like the Ferrari's is doing a bit better with this mornings practice but Brawn is still looking awesome with 3 and 4
 

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So who is keeping an eye on the practice round?

Live timing is wonderful when your'e sitting at work!
 

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Ozzie i am sorry but i do not see the whole fia vs mclaren here, i think mclaren got confused allowed trulli through, then they thought they could get 3rd back by going to the stewards.

Quite simple, what hamilton said and what was said over the radio is not the same, What i cannot for the life of me understand is why go to the stewards after you have made the mistake and allowed trulli through. I think if hamilton did not go to them and lie then it would not be such a huge issue.

It's not agreed that he "lied" though...just that the original statement didn't include the radio comm.

But, if they were unsure whether Hamilton's passing of Trulli was legal, and then played safe to let Trulli through again...isn't it just a fair question then to go to stewards and tell them what happenned so that they can get clarification??

I thought that any 'fair' person, rather than a 'cheating' person would have followed that sequence of events.

Hence I can't understand either their original action against Trulli nor teh subsequent action against Hamilton...they are in a habit of antagonising certain teams.

Re F1 vs teams, remember the biased statements of Ecclestone pre the last race of last season? For whatever reason, you as a leader of the body, do not say "I hope so and so wins".

Re Hamilton vs Schumi...agreed that he won't be as good , Schumi was in a league of his own.

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This is what hamilton had to say on the matter so now can we all stop blaming the FIA or bernie for hamilton lying, he admitted it and has been DQ rightfully so, it is easy to place the blame hey hamilton, you have your own brain.

Meanwhile, a contrite Lewis Hamilton said on Friday he had been told by Dave Ryan to lie to stewards at last weekend's season-opening Australian Grand Prix.

Describing the subsequent storm as the worst thing he had experienced in his life, the world champion apologised to the stewards and to his fans for his behaviour and assured them it would never happen again.

"I was misled," he told a news conference at the Malaysian Grand Prix. "I'm not a liar, I'm not a dishonest person, I'm a team player. And every time I've been informed to do something, I've done it. This time I realise that it was a huge mistake.

"It's taken a huge toll on me," he added.
 

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I just want hamilton to finish outside of points,I really don't like him..at all.He raced well last season but had luck on his side.Im neutral when it comes to F1 (other then my hate for hamilton)
 

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This is what hamilton had to say on the matter so now can we all stop blaming the FIA or bernie for hamilton lying, he admitted it and has been DQ rightfully so, it is easy to place the blame hey hamilton, you have your own brain.

Meanwhile, a contrite Lewis Hamilton said on Friday he had been told by Dave Ryan to lie to stewards at last weekend's season-opening Australian Grand Prix.

Describing the subsequent storm as the worst thing he had experienced in his life, the world champion apologised to the stewards and to his fans for his behaviour and assured them it would never happen again.

"I was misled," he told a news conference at the Malaysian Grand Prix. "I'm not a liar, I'm not a dishonest person, I'm a team player. And every time I've been informed to do something, I've done it. This time I realise that it was a huge mistake.

"It's taken a huge toll on me," he added.

ok, the b@st@rd did lie after all but is now trying to shift the blame away from himself
 

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Lol rat, you could argue he had shocking luck in his first year so he got a bit the next year :).
 

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Wow who said trulli did not deserve 3rd because hamilton has been better?

Damn trulli stomped all hamilton today :p, shame hamilton really struggling in that tractor.

What a race we are in for tomorrow!!!! another button procession though i think.
 

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Wow who said trulli did not deserve 3rd because hamilton has been better?

Damn trulli stomped all hamilton today :p, shame hamilton really struggling in that tractor.

What a race we are in for tomorrow!!!! another button procession though i think.

I don't know, I think Kimi has something up his sleeve for the race.
 

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No he has nothing but maybe some more juice hey, ferrari looks awfully slow again.

Maybe but he does not have the car for it, wow ferrari are arrogant and stupid, they thought one run in the beginning of the session would enough for a track still coming to the drivers.

whoever made that decision should be fired for stupidity, almost had both cars out first round, dumbasses. I am hoping for a trulli win tomorrow. Doubt hamilton will have good fortune a second race running.
 

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I think Button, Barrichello will dominate the first few races (if they don't prang etc and their engine is reliable). After the decision this week about whether the diffuser is legal or not we shall see. If it is deemed legal the other teams will have a bit of catch up to play. However I'm sure they aren't thick and will have already been developing a new diffuser in the mean time just in case). On the other hand if Brawn's diffusers are deemed illegal, I think Malaysia will be the last time we see any dominance from the Brawns this year...

Just hoping Brawn aren't thick and have been developing a new diffuser just in case.

I'd love to see Barichello win the title this year
 

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Another great showing by Brawn and Toyota:). Gonna be a very very interesting race tomorrow.

I hope the Brawn diffusers are not judged to be illegal, because they have certainly managed to shake things up this year:D.
 

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Man I love it when it rains! It causes such confusion! :D
 

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The race has to be restarted due to Ferrari scoring no points LOL :D

Fantastic driving by Button! This will probably be the most exciting season of Formula 1 ever.

Glad to see all the Hamilton haters going at him even though he's supposably not going to be a factor this season. You lot FAIL :D
 

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Too bad Vettel is out. He was pretty much better than everybody but Button.
 
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