2009 Malaysian Formula One Grand Prix

[killadoob]

That diffuser has to be illegal. The Brawn-mobile has such a significant advantage over everyone else that it simply cannot be legal...

Really why is it ferrari and mclaren last season were not deemed illegal? they had a car miles better than anyone else.

why is that not illegal? Why was the ferrari legal through most of shummi's ferrari career? having championships wrapped up by the 12th race.

Toyota and williams are not far off, why is it 3 teams got the same conclusions with the diffuser yet ferrari and mclaren the 2 biggest in f1 did not? Why is it redbull with no diffuser can do so well and for the last 2 races have stomped all over ferrari and mclaren and given brawn a run for their money?

Rubbish that a faster car can be deemed illegal, ferrari can supply slower engine to other cars and use the best for them but that is legal?

 

[sand_man]

Well then you explain to me how in the space of a season 2 average drivers go from zero to hero. Regulators of F1 play games with the manufacturers every year by changing the rules and the specs of the vehicles. It's a joke!!! They forever moving the goal posts in the quest to make the sport more viable.

So which ever manufacturer works out the requirements quickest wins? F1 is not about the drivers anymore, it's about backroom shena****ns and which developer is the cleverest. It's about who can push the envelope the furthest and still remain within the regulations. Races are now won and lost in either the boardroom or the pits or the FIA's office or the wind tunnel and no longer on the race track...

I look forward to the day when a F1 car is standard for all drivers. Yes cutting edge, yes the quickest most capable car but standard..

 

[Ou grote]

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I look forward to the day when a F1 car is standard for all drivers. Yes cutting edge, yes the quickest most capable car but standard..

Indy car is the sport for you then.

 

[killadoob]

Why is jenson button average? He is as good as anyone in F1, he has never had the car to do it.

I will bet you think massa is better than button and kimi? Pffffft button is a fantastic driver who has never had a car much like alot of the drivers on the grid.

 

[AirWolf]

That diffuser has to be illegal. The Brawn-mobile has such a significant advantage over everyone else that it simply cannot be legal...

I definitely hope that these new diffusers are not judged to be illegal, because if the FIA does make such a decision they will most certainly be damaging the sport. The shake up this year as opposed to the monotonous cat and mouse battle between Ferrari and Mclaren, should bring in more fans as well as excitement into the sport.

I'll admit I am a Ferrari fan, but I've never been happier to see them get a beating. This season is just so ... orgasmic (for lack of a better word) .

 

[Serqet]

I agree Airwolf. It's nice to shake things up and not have the same people win make podium every race.

I'm thrilled Button is doing well. I feel they've got his car working beautifully. Diffuser or no diffuser.

 

[sand_man]

Why is jenson button average? He is as good as anyone in F1, he has never had the car to do it.

Bollocks... He's been in f1 for countless seasons and prior to this season had 1 win to his name. Now he has 2 out of 2. He is the same old average driver with a brilliantly manufactured rear diffuser. Hell you fickle, any half bit that has a near decent race and you ringing the praises. Last season it was Vettel and Kubica (even though they did squat), this season Button is your green eyed boy...eh... blue eyed boy!!!!

Look at his racing record, hardly anything spectacular...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jenson_Button#Racing_record

You labor the point that Button has only ever got a drive in an average team. Do you think that might have something to do with the fact that he is an average driver?

 

[Serqet]

Just as the driver makes the car, the car makes the driver sandmanm34. Up until now Button has had a crap car. Let's be honest here!

 

[sand_man]

I definitely hope that these new diffusers are not judged to be illegal, because if the FIA does make such a decision they will most certainly be damaging the sport.

More damaging then having the championship decided at the half way mark of the season??!!! Cause that's where we headed, 2 horse race.

Last season was possibly the most exciting F1 season in decades yet the custodians of the sport deem it necessary to change the format. If it aint broke don't fix it...

 

[AirWolf]

More damaging then having the championship decided at the half way mark of the season??!!! Cause that's where we headed, 2 horse race.

Last season was possibly the most exciting F1 season in decades yet the custodians of the sport deem it necessary to change the format. If it aint broke don't fix it...

You seem to taking things far too personally now that your blue-eyed boy is Mr Average .

 

[sand_man]

Just as the driver makes the car, the car makes the driver sandmanm34. Up until now Button has had a crap car. Let's be honest here!

Not entirely crap. He did win a race in 2006, Hungarian GP beating both Schumacher and Alonso no less. Now, surely if the car/Button is good enough to claim a victory at the Hungarian, it's good enough to claim victories in other races??!!! Yet it's taken him 3 seasons and an illegal diffuser to finally get his 2nd win.... Come on?...

 

[sand_man]

You seem to taking things far too personally now that your blue-eyed boy is Mr Average .

The only reason I support Hamilton is to wind up Killa and just about every other F1 enthusiast on here...

 

[AirWolf]

The only reason I support Hamilton is to wind up Killa and just about every other F1 enthusiast on here...

The exact opposite seems to be happening now though ie you are getting wound up not us.

 

[sand_man]

The exact opposite seems to be happening now though ie you are getting wound up not us.

Perhaps, I think I make valid points. I don't think this Brawn domination on the basis of a manufactured advantage is good for F1 at all. If Brawn/Button continue this domination the season will effectively be run as early as the German Grand prix. How is that going to benefit F1, pull crowds and make a spectacle of the sport?!! It's not. The most vehemently supported team is without doubt Ferrari. How many Ferrari fans do you think will still be watching and supporting F1 come July?!! Not many if Massa and Kimi are sitting where they are now and are they suddenly incompetent drivers? No, they handicapped by an over regulated sport, one that has conspired to further complicate an already complicated and contrived sport effectively handing the championship on a silver platter to Brawn GP...

 

[killadoob]

Actually he signed a deal with honda and they never came through with a decent car and was not let out of his contract to go to a better team sandman, button has been stuck in a bad car because of contract issues not due to lack of interest.

I am sorry robert kubica did nothing last season? Ok i guess being in the running for champion most of the season and driving the socks off an obviously slower car means nothing to you, i guess vettel driving his torro rosso and looking like a young shummi means nothing to you, i cannot grasp how you can say button has done nothing considering the crap he has be given to drive his whole career. I wonder if hamilton had been in a crap car or massa or kimi whether anyone would be singing their praises when they cannot qualify in the top 12 99% of the time.

I love how you say kimi and massa are handicapped but call button a poor driver. Funny when kimi and massa have the best car they are amazing drivers and button is crap in his crap honda that struggled not to come last every race, now kimi and massa have the crap car and button has the good car and you still call him crap and claim brawn are cheating.

This is shocking how people think your only a good driver if your in the best car. You don't think button has been handicapped driving for honda and massa and kimi have been blessed with one of the fastest cars .

What did kimi and massa achieve before coming to ferrari, kimi did not do very well at mclaren and masssa?

Same old story put any f1 driver in the best car and they will do well. How many years was the championship handed to shummi with ferrari? Infact prior to alonso's first winning season i had stopped watching f1 because it had become the shummi boring show. Funny how brawn do well in 2 races and your up in arms but ferrari can dominate for 4 years and you say nothing but they did well and what a legend shummi was.

Shame you should stop watching f1 dude because honestly kimi and massa now have a tractor to drive and lets be honest, they are far to good to be driving such slow cars, i mean look at how well they are doing with the slow car, cannot even finish races with points shows how amazing they are. Hamilton in 2 races has started last and 13th and basically finished 4th and 6th while ferrari sit with 0 points, damn those cheating brawns, funny how hammi can do well in a worse car and how webber and vettel can run with the pack but ferrari just cannot do anything, must be the brawn diffusers pushing some kind of anti ferrari smoke that makes them not go out to qualify again and hit walls

 

[sand_man]

So you don't think it's odd that a driver can go from 18th to 1st in the space of a season?

Would you not think it odd if Ecuador won the 2010 soccer World cup? Would you not think it odd if the Cheetahs won the 2010 Super14? Would you not think it odd if Milwall won the FA cup final?

Kimi and Massa are in a different class to Button, no doubt...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Felipe_Massa#Racing_record

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kimi_Räikkönen#Results_and_records

 

[killadoob]

I do not think so and neither do many people who know button is a championship winning driver with a decent car, i can tell without a doubt your a heavy ferrari fan who is shocked to see how poorly they are doing, even more so your shocked that kimi and massa cannot do as well as hamilton in a better car.

Hamilton for me this season is showing what i have always wanted to see from him and that is how to drive a slow car to good positions. He looks a champion to me, massa and kimi look like champions when they are in the best but when they are not they do not look like champions to me and i am a massa fan. Sorry but the sad fact of the matter is ferrari will struggle to get points this season because they only have drivers who know how to drive at the front. They dropped the ball and poorly designed their car.

It is not only brawn who are better than them, you have williams toyota and redbull who are better and the one mclaren of hammi. So brawn are good yes but ferrari is being dominated by 3-4 teams. I am assuming you know all about brawn and who he is and what he has achieved? Look at kimi last season with a great car could do nothing.

How you can compare 2 ferrari drivers to a honda driver and claim they are better is beyond me, surely your knowledge of f1 is good enough to see the difference in drives they have had or are you so upset that brawn is dominating ferrari you'll say anything

 

[killadoob]

2004
Button behind the wheel for British American Racing at the 2004 United States Grand Prix at Indianapolis.

In 2004, Button and BAR-Honda made significant progress and BAR finished the season second in the Constructors' Championship. Button scored his first ever podium finish with a third place in the Malaysian Grand Prix, and added 9 more throughout that season.

Button and BAR's first pole position came in April at the 2004 San Marino Grand Prix, in which he finished second. He ended the season third overall, behind the two dominant Ferrari drivers, with 85 points.

[edit] 2005

Despite his success with BAR, on 5 August 2004 Button revealed he had signed for Williams for the next two years, sparking a controversial contract dispute. An apparent loophole in his BAR contract permitted him to leave if Honda's commitment to the team was in any doubt.[citation needed]

BAR boss David Richards fought to keep his driver, though Frank Williams maintained that the switch was entirely legal. The FIA Contract Recognition Board (CRB) held a hearing on 16 October in Milan, Italy, to determine Button's 2005 status, concluding that he was contracted to BAR-Honda for the 2005 season.[6]

Yes i guess he really sucks, maybe you should read up more about drivers, i found this but i remember he was not allowed to leave which was a pity because many teams would have wanted him.

finishing 3rd behind 2 ferrari's is pretty good if you ask me, i would say he did something in a decent car, maybe not beating ferrari but then again shummi + ferrari = unbeatable.

have a read and come tell me how kimi and massa did any better, i do not recall them ever getting so many points (85) in another car than ferrari infact kimi struggled to make those points last season in a great car .

 

[killadoob]

Sorry for the double post, don't do it often

In his rookie year in Formula 1, Massa was paired with 1999 F3000 champion Nick Heidfeld at the Sauber team. Massa showed he was a competitive driver, but made several mistakes during his rookie season, including spinning off the track on several occasions. Massa scored 4 championship points in his first season, with a best result of 5th place at the Spanish Grand Prix at the Circuit de Catalunya. Massa suffered a one race suspension late in the season, forcing him to miss the United States Grand Prix. Heinz-Harald Frentzen, Sauber's former driver drove for Massa in that race. Although Massa returned to the driver's seat for the Japanese Grand Prix, Sauber confirmed that Frentzen would partner Heidfeld in 2003, leaving Massa without a race seat. Instead, Massa spent a year with Sauber's engine suppliers, Ferrari, gaining experience through testing for the championship-winning team.

After gaining more experience and demonstrating that his mistake rate had declined, Sauber re-signed Massa for the 2004 season. In 2004, Massa scored 12 of Sauber's 34 points, with his best result being a fourth place finish at the Belgian Grand Prix. His teammate, Giancarlo Fisichella, scored the team's other 22 points. In 2005, Massa remained with Sauber. Although he only scored 11 points, Massa outpaced his teammate Jacques Villeneuve through most of the season, and beat him in the drivers' championship. In 2006, Massa re-joined Ferrari as a race-driver, alongside Michael Schumacher.

Not a great record and no where close to 85 points anywhere,

Cannot really post anything as kimi's mclaren career was dogged by retirements but he still never came close to 85 points in anything other than a ferrari.

Anyone who thinks massa and kimi are better drivers are obviously not thinking clearly or have not actually researched that comment.

 

[sand_man]

Buttons F1 record
Nationality Flag of the United Kingdom British
Formula One World Championship career
Current team Brawn-Mercedes
Car # 22
Races 157 (155 starts)
Championships 0
Wins 3 (2 using an illegal diffuser)
Podiums 17
Career points 247
Pole positions 5
Fastest laps 1
First race 2000 Australian Grand Prix
First win 2006 Hungarian Grand Prix
Last win 2009 Malaysian Grand Prix
Last race 2009 Malaysian Grand Prix
2008 position 18th (3 points)

Massa's F1 record
Nationality Flag of Brazil Brazilian
Formula One World Championship career
Current team Ferrari
Car # 3
Races 108 (107 starts)
Championships 0
Wins 11
Podiums 27
Career points 298
Pole positions 15
Fastest laps 11
First race 2002 Australian Grand Prix
First win 2006 Turkish Grand Prix
Last win 2008 Brazilian Grand Prix
Last race 2009 Malaysian Grand Prix
2008 position 2nd (97 pts)

Räikkönen F1 record
Nationality Flag of Finland Finnish
Formula One World Championship career
Current team Ferrari
Car # 4
Races 142 (141 starts)
Championships 1 (2007)
Wins 17
Podiums 57
Career points 531
Pole positions 16
Fastest laps 35
First race 2001 Australian Grand Prix
First win 2003 Malaysian Grand Prix
Last win 2008 Spanish Grand Prix
Last race 2009 Malaysian Grand Prix
2008 position 3rd (75 points)

The facts speak for themselves...