2009 NZ tour to AUS - ODIs and Twenty20s

[Smooth Criminal]

The way that the world cup is structured is flawed.

Bangladesh beating us in the last one affected our path to the semis. That's probably the most random thing that could have happened and in no way does it make Bangladesh a better team than us. While Aus beat us, they were probably a better team anyway, but I feel that we at least deserved to make the finals.

It's possible for a team to dominate throughout the majority of the tournament only for a fluke encounter to end their progress. The WC is undoubtedly a nice title to claim, but consistency (to me) is a better indication of a team's quality.

 

[HypoThesis]

The Indians play more ODI's than anyone else. I mean if you get to play 10 - 20 more matches than the other teams surely it gives you more of a chance to fine tune your art? I know the ratings are weighted against who you've played and also take series wins into account and also home and away games BUT surely the calendar should be more evenly balanced?

Right now the top 5 teams:
1. South Africa Matches played - 34
2. India - 45
3. Australia - 35
4. New Zealand - 29
5. Pakistan - 31

 

[chiskop]

The Indians play more ODI's than anyone else. I mean if you get to play 10 - 20 more matches than the other teams surely it gives you more of a chance to fine tune your art? I know the ratings are weighted against who you've played and also take series wins into account and also home and away games BUT surely the calendar should be more evenly balanced?

The ratings do not consider series wins, home/away wins - only who played who and who won.

10-20 matches more than anyone else also gives you 10-20 more opportunities to injuries to key players, risk of losing etc.

 

[JohanG]

Yeah, only a win and loss is taken into account for rating points.

To clarify what chiskop's saying (and I'm not sure of the exact formula), whether you win or lose, you will receive points. The points are based on a factor weighted against the ranking of the team you played against. That means if you play (and win) against #1, you'll receive a lot more points than beating #10, and vice versa if you lose. The total points are then divided by the number of games you have played.

By playing a lot more games than other countries you can penalise yourself for the reasons stated above (long season = tired team = injury/losing).

 

[chiskop]

Yeah, only a win and loss is taken into account for rating points.

To clarify what chiskop's saying (and I'm not sure of the exact formula), whether you win or lose, you will receive points. The points are based on a factor weighted against the ranking of the team you played against. That means if you play (and win) against #1, you'll receive a lot more points than beating #10, and vice versa if you lose. The total points are then divided by the number of games you have played.

Yep, basically it. It's explained here.

 

[JohanG]

thx for the link

I don't know why people have removed the series win importance point from here. I don't know who is that ****ing person to do that. If anybody knows about that please add here...

lol'd at this part .

 

[chiskop]

Didn't notice that.

But the series wins don't count for anything.

ICC Rankings predictor. (internet explorer only)

 

[rwenzori]

The panic deepens ( off Cricinfo ):

Australia's coach Tim Nielsen battled stoically to paint the recall of Ricky Ponting in a positive light, but there could be no ignoring the difficult questions Australia's surprise selection move posed.

 

[AirWolf]

Aussie doing quite well in third ODI against NZ: 128/0.

 

[rwenzori]

They're off to a flyer! Much like they did against us a few times - Vettori must slow them down.

 

[AirWolf]

Fall of wickets1-135 (Clarke, 23.3 ov)

 

[AirWolf]

168/1 after 31 overs.

Aussies definitely looking better.

Edit: Make that 169/2 after 31.3

 

[chiskop]

Another one gone.

187/3 - Hussey out for 7, c MacCullum, b O'Brien

 

[Ou grote]

Australia 272/5 (45.2 ov)
New Zealand

NZ have chased down 300+ against them before, so ...

 

[Picard]

Auz has 301 after 50.

 

[chiskop]

After 45 overs or so, 300 was looking pretty easy. NZ took a lot of wickets at the end.

 

[AirWolf]

The Aussie got the win and this thread suddenly died.

 

[chiskop]

And they didn't even have to cheat this time.

 

[rwenzori]

The Aussie got the win and this thread suddenly died.

We're in mourning.

 

[Ou grote]

The Aussie got the win and this thread suddenly died.

We'll have to wait a few days to see, maybe they tampered with the ball, or bribed the NZ caterers to poison their food or...