2010 Soccer Preperations...or another agenda?

LCBXX

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After watching Carte-Blanche's insert on the 2010 plans, I started thinking about the issues raised by the program and then came up with some additional thoughts/questions.

It appears that organisers are becoming less concerned with things like transport (public or other) to/from stadia, accommodation, facilities, etc, and the general plans of what happens AFTER the 5-week tournament. Perhaps things are going smoothly? Hotels are nearing upgrade completion, but what about international-standard public transport? And I'm not referring to something as efficient as the system in Japan, but basic things like proper directions that can tell someone where to catch what taxi to where and what time.
I rarely hear about a concrete plan to make the even just as accessible and enjoyable for South Africans as it will be for international tourists. Are we deliberately being kept in the dark regarding the rest of 2010?

It also appears that organisers are more concerned with the image of hosting the spectacle here. New, large, impressive stadiums are built; some right next to (or near) exiting and already quite sufficient current stadia (Durban, Gauteng) and some far away from the main soccer supporting public (Greenpoint stadium). The only reason I can attribute to the latter, is that FIFA wants Table Mountain in the background.
Then there are all the hype about making event "African" or "revealing the beating heart of Africa". the plans to make the tournament better than the 2006 one held in Germany. Organisers appeared to have forgotten that Germany is one of the top Soccer-playing nations in the world, thus the vibe and fanatic support for the sport there is almost natural. In 2014 the WC will be in Brazil; do I even need to explain how they feel about Soccer.

I just feel that the SA organisers should rather focus on staging a decent tournament with little issue or hiccup rather than over-focusing on "Arfricanism" and forcing our diverse culture down everybody's throat. Am I missing the point here? What do you guys think?
 

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2010 soccer thing is just going to be another day,heck SA can't even play soccer
 

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Next to the meteor that wiped out the dinosaurs, this so called event is going to be the biggest c*ckup the world has ever seen.
Right now, during a normal weekday planes are being delayed because the dumbnuts manning the check-in counters can't check the relatively few passengers in fast enough for them to make the flights.
Assuming people are actually stupid enough to come here in their thousands, can you begin to grasp the chaos that will ensue. The mind boggles.
 

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Next to the meteor that wiped out the dinosaurs, this so called event is going to be the biggest c*ckup the world has ever seen.
Right now, during a normal weekday planes are being delayed because the dumbnuts manning the check-in counters can't check the relatively few passengers in fast enough for them to make the flights.
Assuming people are actually stupid enough to come here in their thousands, can you begin to grasp the chaos that will ensue. The mind boggles.

They came in thousands for rugby and cricket world cups through the same airports.

your mind boggles rather too easily
 

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making event "African" - in my mind most things African are pretty chaotic, so if this WC turns out a disaster, at least we know they got to make the event African
 

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South Africa successfully hosted other world cups very successfully without incident and with far less planning and construction. Sure, a football world cup is a bigger event, but it's not that big.

I don't get the continuous negative sentiment around this event. Accommodation won't be a problem, and neither will transport.

We have world class accommodation in all our major cities, ranging from 5 star hotels to newly licensed B&Bs. Our national roads infrastructure is sound (contrary to popular belief, you don't need a 4 times 4 to see South Africa) and they are making a lot of special arrangements for the influx of new tourists including metered cabs in all metropolitans as well as hundreds of new buses. Every stadium is going to get backup power and most hotels already have this in place.

Millions of tourists visit South Africa every year. The additional thousands in our traditional tourism off season won't have much impact on our airports - but just to be sure, all our airports are being upgraded anyway.

It's almost as if some people want the country to fail.
 

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SA will be fine man. Wont be the most successful, or put it this way - I'll be surprised if it is a legend of an event hosting. But it will be fine. I have two concerns, one I have had, is how some cities will cope transport wise. No doubt JHB and CT have the power to accomidate and move (they deal with the numbers already and UCT CBD is almost 100% booked out over the period). The problem, and please correct me if I am wrong, but durbs? Bloem? PE? Stadiums with 40 000 +, or in durbs's case 70 000, need decent systems to cause flow...and from my knowledge the bus and train systems arent the best in the city.
Second concern is if front page world-wide "One <insert foreigner> killed, two hijacked, hundreds mugged".
 

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It's almost as if some people want the country to fail.


"It's almost as if some people want the country to fail."

Im afraid that is definately not the case, its just that we have so many other priorities to focus on, crime , poverty, education. So while all the other priorities are being ignored, our government is so focussed on this stupid WC.

I noticed out of all your comments, u dont make mention of crime, you can have best hotels in the world, a "sound" road infrastructure - what good is that when crime affects them at WC and they go back and tell everyone else of the crime they experienced, or even worse,when foreign newspapers report it - no point in having good hotels then.
 

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There has never ever been such detailed planning for any event in Africa whether its transport or stadia or security.

Each host city presented detailed transport plans for moving people from hotels to stadia to training venues to stadia to the city centre to the airport. For the first time in decades cities are implementing public transport systems, upgrading stations which have not been upgrade since the 60's. Its really nothing to do with the Gautrain( a non 2010 project and more about the legacy of busses, improved roads,station etc.)


These are just summaries of those plans. Under Host City Contracts, Host Cities are required to provide transport to hotels, the city centre, airport,stadium. These are not simply added extras. The timing, operation and quality of these services are either approved/changed or ammended entirely by FIFA.

http://www.transport.gov.za/2010/DefaultPages/Homedefault.asp

With regards to communication. IT HAS BEEN TERRIBLE.

Its abosultely the LOC's fault that people aren't told about plans or preparations apart from the odd news insert. Its ten times easier to find plans for the Olympic Games in London than to find a basic seating plan for a stadium in South Africa.
 

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SA will be fine man. Wont be the most successful, or put it this way - I'll be surprised if it is a legend of an event hosting. But it will be fine. I have two concerns, one I have had, is how some cities will cope transport wise. No doubt JHB and CT have the power to accomidate and move (they deal with the numbers already and UCT CBD is almost 100% booked out over the period). The problem, and please correct me if I am wrong, but durbs? Bloem? PE? Stadiums with 40 000 +, or in durbs's case 70 000, need decent systems to cause flow...and from my knowledge the bus and train systems arent the best in the city.
Second concern is if front page world-wide "One <insert foreigner> killed, two hijacked, hundreds mugged".

http://www.transport.gov.za/2010/Def...omedefault.asp
 

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On the issue of wanting it to fail. Can you blame people?
How are people meant to know about a BRT route or an upgraded Cape Town station or construction at training venue or buses being imported if the LOC are pathetic at providing updates?

Why can't construction updates be provided at one location/website?
 

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I'm not trying to be negative at all about SA hosting the event. I'm trying to think as realistic as possible.
Having watched the Cricket World Cup in the West Indies was rather revealing about how things might be for us here. Huge stadia were built and when West India didn't play, the stadium wasn't even filled halfway. Residents of the West Indies were given a public holiday and special fares on ticket prices when their country played a game in order to get spectator numbers up. Aren't we heading for a similar situation?

And still the question begs: What will happen after 11 July 2010? Surely the 5 weeks of the tournament can't be the peak everyone is working to, otherwise we'll just end up in a slump afterward? Will the remaining construction of the Gautrain slow to a crawl since there is no deadline to chase like there is now? Will we or are we bidding for other major events that will utilise the major infrastructure that's being laid down for 2010?
 

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I agree. Post 2010 is probably more important than 2010.

Will Cape Town continue the 2nd and 3rd and 4th phase of its BRT system?
Will the 2020 vision of Cape Town Station be realized?
Will the Gautrain continue work?
 

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One thing I don't understand. He tries to find a random taxi on Carte Blance, when during 2010 the BRT system and rail system will connect many parts of Joburg to the stadium.
 

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I'm not trying to be negative at all about SA hosting the event. I'm trying to think as realistic as possible.
Having watched the Cricket World Cup in the West Indies was rather revealing about how things might be for us here. Huge stadia were built and when West India didn't play, the stadium wasn't even filled halfway. Residents of the West Indies were given a public holiday and special fares on ticket prices when their country played a game in order to get spectator numbers up. Aren't we heading for a similar situation?

And still the question begs: What will happen after 11 July 2010? Surely the 5 weeks of the tournament can't be the peak everyone is working to, otherwise we'll just end up in a slump afterward? Will the remaining construction of the Gautrain slow to a crawl since there is no deadline to chase like there is now? Will we or are we bidding for other major events that will utilise the major infrastructure that's being laid down for 2010?

The West Indies is a very poor country. They also had the added logistical problems of being a group of Islands. South Africa is not poor, and has managed to budget for and provide for the construction of stadia, infrastructure and security required to make the event a success without increasing taxes in 3 successive budget allocations and without negatively impacting our economy in the midst of a world economic melt down.

Gautrain was never part of the World Cup plans. It is being constructed to offer more transport infrastructure between the major business networks of Gauteng (Pretoria, Sandton, Midrand, Kempton Park, etc). It was never deadlined for the World Cup.

After July we will have sparkling new stadia for use of our major sporting teams, a new transport infrastructure and many more people with jobs where without the event they would still be unemployed.
 

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"and many more people with jobs where without the event they would still be unemployed."

please elaborate
 
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