2010 Soccer Preperations...or another agenda?

[mac_mac74]

Why? I'm sure you can figure it out.

dont make comments if u cant back them up.

 

[capetownguy]

oh but people do that all the time here.

 

[2CentsWorth]

dont make comments if u cant back them up.

You're kidding right? With new infrastructure comes new jobs. Logic 101.

 

[capetownguy]

On ticket sales. If a stadium seats 70,000, not all those tickets are on sale to South Africans. Expect only 50,000 seats(more or less) of the 91,000 at Soccer City available to the public for the opening.

 

[mac_mac74]

You're kidding right? With new infrastructure comes new jobs. Logic 101.

You're kidding right? With new infrastructure comes new jobs. Logic 101.

heres some more logic for you, lets look at transport infrastructure:
BRT system, do u think people will give up using motor car for BRT when it will probably be as unreliable/unsafe as trains. That leaves us with taxis, do u think they will sit back and say "yeah take away our commuters". Even if they did, that leaves 1 more unemployed taxi driver; logic: 1 more employed BRT employee - 1 less employed taxi driver = 0

other infrastructure: if you have not noticed, the stadiums are being built by construction companies using their current workforce. Even if they do employ and train more people , after the stadiums then what, these guys wont go from being a brick layer to Sol Kertzner.

Im not saying that jobs wont be created, but you many other people believe that this WC will create so many jobs.

So before you take the LOCs view that so many jobs will be created , think again.

 

[2CentsWorth]

heres some more logic for you, lets look at transport infrastructure:
BRT system, do u think people will give up using motor car for BRT when it will probably be as unreliable/unsafe as trains.

Yes. If it remains as safe and reliable as what it would during the world cup then why not? Millions of people in this country use trains and buses daily already. These people do so without being thrown from trains or stabbed. An alleviation on that network will be a step in the right direction.

That leaves us with taxis, do u think they will sit back and say "yeah take away our commuters".

The BRT network will not really be taking taxi commmuters away, that will remain business as usual for them. The BRT will appeal more to people already using public transport and go a long way to move people out of their cars onto public transport. Taxi services for the most part should be supplementary to the public transport system - not a substitute.

Even if they did, that leaves 1 more unemployed taxi driver; logic: 1 more employed BRT employee - 1 less employed taxi driver = 0

other infrastructure: if you have not noticed, the stadiums are being built by construction companies using their current workforce. Even if they do employ and train more people , after the stadiums then what, these guys wont go from being a brick layer to Sol Kertzner.

The BRT is only one part of the infrastructure growth. New stadiums are being built meaning new maintenance crews, new promotions contracts, more support staff at bigger sporting events, etc etc. The new greenpoint stadium will see bigger rugby events, more soccer and a host of other events. A world class events management company is being appointed to manage and attract events to the that stadium already. The stadium upgrades at Loftus will mean more staff is needed to service the stadium, hospitality suites, restaruants, bars and more.

As for the "work forces" that are being employed in the construction phases that will suddenly be without work afterwards. Many of these people were 100% unskilled inexperienced people before they got these jobs @ the construction sites. Just the experience they're getting here will mean more of them are employable after the infrastructure upgrades are complete. Not to mention that more infrastructure will come after the world cup - growing cities need growing infrastructure which = more jobs. More tourism = more jobs. More foreign investment = more jobs. Better infrastruvture means greater productivity which = expansion = more jobs.

Im not saying that jobs wont be created, but you many other people believe that this WC will create so many jobs.

So before you take the LOCs view that so many jobs will be created , think again.

I'm not a fool, I don't believe the world cup will save this country from its countless problems. I do, however, believe that the infrastructure development will go a long way in getting things on the right track.

 

[capetownguy]

I know a large portion of the new construction workers at Green Point Stadium are now going to work on the tallest building in Cape Town called Portside.

www.portside.co.za



How will security be ensured?
All trunk stations will have full-time security staff on the platforms. There also will be roving security staff on both trunk and feeder vehicles. All stations will be continually monitored by multiple CCTV cameras, which will be overseen at the system’s central control centre. There will also be CCTV cameras within the vehicles themselves. Feeder stations will be fitted with special emergency call boxes, which will include a direct visual and telephone link to the control centre. In cases of emergencies, security staff will be immediately dispatched to the site.

 

[Vitowe]

They came in thousands for rugby and cricket world cups through the same airports.

your mind boggles rather too easily

Two points you fail to appreciate that make the soccer WC very different to the events you mention. One: Those events are small compared to the SWC.
and Two: More importantly you seem to forget that at the time of the rugby WC the airports etc. were still managed and staffed by those evil white folk who could actually do the jobs they were employed to do.

The situation is VERY different today. My mind has the capacity to reason, hence it boggles at the magnitude of the shambles this SWC will bring. So will yours when the *****e hits the fan. But dream on if you must.

 

[capetownguy]

You simply cannot compare CTIA, ORTIA or KSIA to the airports of 1995.
The upgrades and transformation will result in world class airports.

You are right, the situation is very different and service levels cannot be predicted BUT anybody who ever goes to these airports will realize the magnitude of work to prepare all aspects of the airport.

The airports will cope much much better than they ever have with or without the "evil white folk".

 

[2CentsWorth]

Two points you fail to appreciate that make the soccer WC very different to the events you mention. One: Those events are small compared to the SWC.
and Two: More importantly you seem to forget that at the time of the rugby WC the airports etc. were still managed and staffed by those evil white folk who could actually do the jobs they were employed to do.

The situation is VERY different today. My mind has the capacity to reason, hence it boggles at the magnitude of the shambles this SWC will bring. So will yours when the *****e hits the fan. But dream on if you must.

Your post is racist on so many levels....

 

[Vitowe]

Your post is racist on so many levels....

Its also true on so many levels, but like I said, dream on if you can't face reallity.

 

[capetownguy]

So you admit its racist?

 

[Vitowe]

So you admit its racist?

Why wouln't I?

 

[2CentsWorth]

Its also true on so many levels, but like I said, dream on if you can't face reallity.

I'm well aware what reality is. I think it is you who needs to face reality...

 

[zagame]

So you admit its racist?

Number of definitions of "racist"? Well, let's see how many we can think of.

* Believing that races differ from each other.

* Believing that races differ from each other in important ways, like intelligence or physical abilities.

* Believing that races differ from each other in important ways, like intelligence or physical abilities, for genetic reasons rather than because of cultural or environmental circumstances.

* Believing that because of such differences, members of different races should have different political rights.

* Believing that a particular group of people who are racially different are also different in their culture.

* Believing that a particular group of people who are racially different are also different in their culture, for genetic rather than historically contingent reasons.

* Not liking the different culture associated with a different race and wanting that culture changed, opposed, corrected, or confronted.

* Because of believing that a member of a different race is likely to be different in a particular way, believing that this particular member of the different race is himself likely to be different in this particular way.

* Believing that this particular member of a different race is different in this way, even when you have got to know him individually and know that it isn't so.

* Believing that all the members of a particular race should be murdered.

online dictionary states:

1. The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.
2. Discrimination or prejudice based on race.

so how many of those are the ANC and it's followers guilty of on a daily basis, visit a few links on this forum and see for yourself.

And no offense but everytime a member of this current government opens his/her mouth my pet goldfish feels superior so therefore he/she is also a racist.

by definition we are all racists and it is such a lame thing to use, if you want to upset somebody call them a "box" in afrikaans, the word racist has lost it's shock value due to frivolous overuse and I doubt if Vitowe gives a shyte being called one

And you have to admit that his replies are based on a proven reality...

my 2cents worth

 

[2CentsWorth]

And you have to admit that his replies are based on a proven reality...

my 2cents worth

Proven where?

 

[zagame]

http://www.politicsweb.co.za/politicsweb/view/politicsweb/en/page71619?oid=115912&sn=Detail

JOHANNESBURG - Reshebile Aviation & Protection Services (RAPS), the company responsible for the security screening of South African Airways personnel, has close links to the ruling African National Congress. A number of ANC stalwarts have served on the board of the company including Gertrude Shope, Paul Langa, and Henry Makgothi. Another director, Lawrence Mazibuko, is a former presidential bodyguard.

RAPS was catapulted into the news recently after an employee, Pulane Hlahane, 43, confessed to her role in helping a cabin crew member smuggle a consignment of narcotics out of the country. This followed the discovery by British customs officials at London Heathrow of 50 kilos of cannabis (dagga) and 4 kilos of cocaine in the baggage of SAA crew members. The level of security at SAA's Airways Park at OR Tambo subsequently came under criticism with an anonymous employee telling the Saturday Star that it was "so lax it is a joke."

The two directors of KZN Security Services are Shadrack Dladla a former policeman, and Lawrence Mazibuko, a former personal bodyguard to the South African president and deputy president. They also serve as directors of RAPS. A 2004 Mail & Guardian report claimed that KZN Security Services "has previously been linked to the ANC... [Mazibuko] is understood to have served at one time as a bodyguard to Jacob Zuma."

here is a start, everything that the anc is involved with turns to shyte very quickly, its all good and well building shiny new infrastructure with taxpayers money, but then you have to be able to provide a service, and if the company is fusked up from the top to the bottom it wont work.

With tales of corruption and bad decisions in every sector of government splashed in the news on a daily basis can you honestly have any faith in them not fusking this up?

 

[2CentsWorth]

http://www.politicsweb.co.za/politicsweb/view/politicsweb/en/page71619?oid=115912&sn=Detail





here is a start, everything that the anc is involved with turns to shyte very quickly, its all good and well building shiny new infrastructure with taxpayers money, but then you have to be able to provide a service, and if the company is fusked up from the top to the bottom it wont work.

With tales of corruption and bad decisions in every sector of government splashed in the news on a daily basis can you honestly have any faith in them not fusking this up?

I'm sorry - I must be missing the part where it says that this would not have happened if it was run by white people.

Two points you fail to appreciate that make the soccer WC very different to the events you mention. One: Those events are small compared to the SWC.
and Two: More importantly you seem to forget that at the time of the rugby WC the airports etc. were still managed and staffed by those evil white folk who could actually do the jobs they were employed to do.

The situation is VERY different today. My mind has the capacity to reason, hence it boggles at the magnitude of the shambles this SWC will bring. So will yours when the *****e hits the fan. But dream on if you must.

Just so I'm perfectly clear: criminals come in all shapes, colours and sizes. There are white and black and indian and chinese and all sorts of drug smugglers in jails all over the world. Criminals in SA - of all colours - have it easy due to our unique situation. But painting all people of a race or not a part of a specific race as the only ones that can "do the jobs", that's blatant bull****ting.

 

[DeadCore]

so maybe i was wrong about the soccer thing,it's going to be big but not the biggest thing after the meteor strike that killed all the dino's,i don't think SA is going to last very long in the soccer world cup

 

[zagame]

I'm sorry - I must be missing the part where it says that this would not have happened if it was run by white people.

Just so I'm perfectly clear: criminals come in all shapes, colours and sizes. There are white and black and indian and chinese and all sorts of drug smugglers in jails all over the world. Criminals in SA - of all colours - have it easy due to our unique situation. But painting all people of a race or not a part of a specific race as the only ones that can "do the jobs", that's blatant bull****ting.

ok I am not disagreeing with your comments above and lets take race out of this for a second and then let me rephrase :

The government cannot even handle little things how are they not going to fusk this up, as the news has shown they put self profiting first and governing the people... well i don't think they give that much thought.

the zim situation - FAIL
local municipalities - FAIL
Crime - FAIL
education - FAIL and the list goes on, these are the basics of running a country, the world cup will profit very few and in my opinion is a complete waste of taxpayers money.

there is a world recession going on and that will effect visitors etc. so this is the wrong time to try doing this event

Then you have ministers spewing garbage everytime they open their mouths and then saying they where misunderstood nevermind the zuma trail and what ever the eventual outcome will be.... oops almost forgot julius the genius and the commie party

IF England don't qualify for the wc that will effect visitors and all it takes is for the violent crime to escalate and a couple of tourists to get killed/raped to effect the visitor figures, and then after the 5 weeks of the wc what then?

It takes more than trying to steal somebody else's accomplishments/heritage by renaming a few street names to run a country - get your house in order first before you embarrass visitors that will leave with a bad taste in their mouths and spread bad pr when they get home.

that's me done and yes you disagree with everything said and that's cool by me... hopefully you are correct and once it is all done I will be the first to apologise and retract all my statements.

enjoy your day