2010 Soccer Preperations...or another agenda?

2CentsWorth

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that's me done and yes you disagree with everything said and that's cool by me... hopefully you are correct and once it is all done I will be the first to apologise and retract all my statements.

enjoy your day :)
I took exception with another poster's assertion that non-white people can't do the jobs white people can do. I agree that crime, corruption, ANC and the government etc is a problem in this country. However, it's not isolated to non-whites; just look at Alec Erwin.... But we're talking past each other anyway, as I was referring to the racist rant of the other poster.
 

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Thanks for jumping in there for me Zagame. Saved me the bother, but I probably wouldn't have bothered to respond anyway. Some people just refuse to face up to the reallity that different people ARE different.
 

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Thanks for jumping in there for me Zagame. Saved me the bother, but I probably wouldn't have bothered to respond anyway. Some people just refuse to face up to the reallity that different people ARE different.

no problem ;)

I am sick of everytime somebody points out that the government sucks piles they are automatically racists and therefore should feel mortified and refrain from speaking again.
 

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I took exception with another poster's assertion that non-white people can't do the jobs white people can do. I agree that crime, corruption, ANC and the government etc is a problem in this country. However, it's not isolated to non-whites; just look at Alec Erwin.... But we're talking past each other anyway, as I was referring to the racist rant of the other poster.

One of the things that really pisses me off lately with this forum lately was just that. And its been brewing for a while now, look back at every post on news events for the last 2 or 3 yrs and you will see exactly what i mean.

Now i am all for exposing the corruption, mismanagement, and just plain stupid things some politicians do however it seems to me that this forum also has a lot people with a heck of lot of other issues that they need to resolve and quite frankly i can't stand it. If it were up to me i'd hand out visa's and send them packing because some people need to learn the hard way and then come crawling back as per usual :rolleyes:.

The question about failure of the world cup.. granted there are many issues to work thru i doubt very much there will be much wrong with the hosting. I do however still have my reservations of the Green point stadium since it is a soccer/football/rugby stadium only and we have a big Rugby + Soccer Stadium already.

The argument that its away from the usual support crowds is stupid and seems more like people don't want 'certain' types of people to travel across to there :p get over it!

The whole 'other' projects pushed for world cup is again silly, there is quite a few projects in Sa going on and quite a few more on the cards. Again the usual morons whine about this forgetting that a few yrs ago and currently we whine of lack of infrastructure development in Sa. The Wc is the perfect time to push these through faster as due to the increase exposure SA gets, increased investment will happen. Sure it can be pushed through at a later date and a lot of the projects are scheduled for later too, but to not use the opportunity is just plain dumb
 

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no problem ;)

I am sick of everytime somebody points out that the government sucks piles they are automatically racists and therefore should feel mortified and refrain from speaking again.
After reading this whole thread I have to concur with 2cw. Vitowe's post was racist. Your points on the government are valid and stands, but if it was meant as defense of Vitowe's racist insinuations then I'm afraid you've lost the plot. Despite ur good intentions. Racism has no place in this country, and frankly there is too much of it; a lot of it on this very forum.
 

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online dictionary states:

1. The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.
2. Discrimination or prejudice based on race.

so how many of those are the ANC and it's followers guilty of on a daily basis, visit a few links on this forum and see for yourself.

And no offense but everytime a member of this current government opens his/her mouth my pet goldfish feels superior so therefore he/she is also a racist.

by definition we are all racists and it is such a lame thing to use, if you want to upset somebody call them a "box" in afrikaans, the word racist has lost it's shock value due to frivolous overuse and I doubt if Vitowe gives a shyte being called one

After reading this whole thread I have to concur with 2cw. Vitowe's post was racist. Your points on the government are valid and stands, but if it was meant as defense of Vitowe's racist insinuations then I'm afraid you've lost the plot. Despite ur good intentions. Racism has no place in this country, and frankly there is too much of it; a lot of it on this very forum.

Thats the point see, everywhere their is racism not least by the ruling party in their policies etc.

I was defending his right to free speech and his beliefs, he made a statement and the response was not - "hey prove it or it isnt true because of the following..."

he was branded a racist and therefore his point of view was deemed null and void, this is a forum and we should all be allowed to speak our minds and not become some over - sensitised pc hangout ( go to knysna for that)

I could now start a attack on you for saying that I have lost the plot ;) or call you a racist for thinking that by me having lost the plot i am inferior to you ( silly how these things become the most insulting thing ever said to us on a forum )

bottom line - this stupid calling everybody racists diminishes the meaning behind it, and that was the whole point - maybe I am guilty of misinterpretation when reading the posts, put me in a box and call me a name for that if you must :D

End of the day everything is in such a mess in this country that it does feel that before '94 everything was so much better and you cannot expect people not to get pissed off and dejected when they are seemingly only good for paying taxes and nothing else...

I apologise for thread derailment
 

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This is (mostly) true. But his statement was racist and obviously (to any reasonable person) entirely without substance (just his implication is erroneous beyond even reasonably acceptable generalisation). You're arguing about the government and their policies, which is fair game - but he made it a race issue. He didn't contribute to the thread in any way. So he was not only racist (as he admitted to being when confronted), but he was trolling as well. It's all good and well for people to speak their minds, but to flap their gums (in this case through their fingers) about what a terrible failure everything is because it's not run by whites is frankly inexcusable. Not to mention given the history of the white man in this country, extremely hypocritical.

I find it odd, nay, bizarre that so many pessimists just badmouth the 2010 WC for the sake thereof, saying things like it will fail because white people are not in charge.

As if they (white people) did such a wonderful job pre 94.

And while we all enjoy knocking the ANC, remember this: The ANC have done more for black (and Indian, Coloured, etc) people in 15 years than any white government in the entire history of this country before that. So while we all notice the corruption and the crime and the increased cost of living and the influx of cholera-riddled tourist-refugees, the average South African is only now getting used to electricity and tapped, accessible water and the right to go where he or she wants without consequence and to participate in the economy directly. What we take for granted and what was available to the average South African is entire worlds apart.

To date all the WC naysayers have failed to produce an ounce of evidence as to why the world cup is doomed. Present the evidence by all means, but leave the racist bull**** @ home.
 
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2CentsWorth

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no problem ;)

I am sick of everytime somebody points out that the government sucks piles they are automatically racists and therefore should feel mortified and refrain from speaking again.

:confused: He wasn't going on about the government, he was actually being racist.
 

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Some of the nonsense in this thread is rather worrying.

By simply doing a little research one could easily see the plans not only for 2010, but also beyond. Public transport, such as the BRT systems are currently being implemented in Johannesburg and Cape Town. Maps are available to the public detailing the different phases of development and when said phases will be completed.

The stadiums too haven't simply just been built. Immense planning has gone into their feasibility. Plans have to be presented to cities by stadium operators detailing how they plan on running the stadiums and how they will ensure that they are not white elephants. There are countless opportunities to not only host matches, but also concerts and other large events. The people running the show, believe it or not, actually know what they are doing.

Lastly, improvements can't simply grind to a halt after 2010. Thinking like that is very naive. Contracts have been signed, plans have been put into place (at a cost), preparation have been made (once again at a cost) etc. Let's take the Gautrain for example...all the stations and routes have been planned to completion. Some of these stations will be incorporated into huge developments, such as Zonk'Izizwe (which will be a new mixed-use precinct including the largest mall in Africa). Other large developments are planned for after 2010, but have already been started. Sandton City, for example, is undergoing expansion. What's coming after 2010? A new 80 floor tower, which will be the tallest skyscraper in Africa (and very sexy might I add).

2010 is not the "enemy," as so many people seem to believe. It is in fact forcing government to get its ass into gear and deliver. The negative attitude of South Africans is really disappointing. Yes, government may be incompetent in so many ways, but there is just as much good being performed in the country at the same time. Just look at how the Cape Town CBD has been cleaned up, how it's getting a shiny new skyscraper, how it's public transport system is being overhauled etc. Johannesburg's inner city charter plans to have all delapitated buildings refurbished by 2014.

Seriously, some positivity for once would be nice. We have a way of digging ourselves into a negative hole we can never get out of. Just like the media in the US, for example, only shows Americans the worst news about South Africa (causing many of them to think we have lions in our back yards etc), we tend to focus on the bad news and not appreciate what we do have. There are not many countries in Africa who would have remotely been able to pull off an event like this, and countless times in the past have the media complained about the stadiums not being ready in time etc, yet look at them now. They're completely mum when many of the stadiums are ahead of schedule.
 
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It's almost as if some people want the country to fail.

Well, dur ... in a way.

The country is failing on almost a daily basis in all sorts of areas: the justice system, the political system, the crime levels, corruption, poor health care, racist and divisive goverment ministers speaking their mind in public, and there are more.

It's a bit of a slap in the face to the rest of us if such people end up being able to strut around the farmyard boasting about how awesomely they organised the SWC.

Of course, they're going to strut around the farmyard boasting even if 2010 turns into a complete fiasco, but that's not really the point...

It'd be nice if they could learn some sort of lesson from their failures for a change...
 

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Some of the nonsense in this thread is rather worrying.

By simply doing a little research one could easily see the plans not only for 2010, but also beyond. Public transport, such as the BRT systems are currently being implemented in Johannesburg and Cape Town. Maps are available to the public detailing the different phases of development and when said phases will be completed.

Do you seriously think that the BRT system is going to get off the ground with the taxi industry just standing aside?

Man killed, three held after taxi protest
Tuesday's taxi chaos resulted in widespread disruption across Cape Town, with bus services withdrawn, vehicles vandalised and thousands of commuters stranded, while in Cape Town there were ugly scenes of hooliganism by some taxi drivers and their guards.

Before the march, scores of taxis sped through the city in a rowdy procession. Taxi guards hung from taxi windows or stood on rear bumpers. Many brandished sticks, sjamboks and knobkerries and hit the roofs of passing cars. Earlier, a bus driver was shot and wounded, another beaten and a number of vehicles pelted with stones. Police were deployed to various areas, including Delft, Nyanga and Du Noon.

http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?set_id=1&click_id=13&art_id=vn20081210061216548C199181


My guess is that by 2015 it's going to look like another Putco and Golden Arrow bus service. Hardly the type of thing the upper class would use and certainly not the type of service I'd recommend to tourists.
I hope I'm wrong.
 
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Contracts for BRT work are signed. Work has been underway in Johannesburg for almost a year. Work has already started in Cape Town.
 

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This is (mostly) true. But his statement was racist and obviously (to any reasonable person) entirely without substance (just his implication is erroneous beyond even reasonably acceptable generalisation). You're arguing about the government and their policies, which is fair game - but he made it a race issue. He didn't contribute to the thread in any way. So he was not only racist (as he admitted to being when confronted), but he was trolling as well. It's all good and well for people to speak their minds, but to flap their gums (in this case through their fingers) about what a terrible failure everything is because it's not run by whites is frankly inexcusable. Not to mention given the history of the white man in this country, extremely hypocritical.

I find it odd, nay, bizarre that so many pessimists just badmouth the 2010 WC for the sake thereof, saying things like it will fail because white people are not in charge.

As if they (white people) did such a wonderful job pre 94.

And while we all enjoy knocking the ANC, remember this: The ANC have done more for black (and Indian, Coloured, etc) people in 15 years than any white government in the entire history of this country before that. So while we all notice the corruption and the crime and the increased cost of living and the influx of cholera-riddled tourist-refugees, the average South African is only now getting used to electricity and tapped, accessible water and the right to go where he or she wants without consequence and to participate in the economy directly. What we take for granted and what was available to the average South African is entire worlds apart.

To date all the WC naysayers have failed to produce an ounce of evidence as to why the world cup is doomed. Present the evidence by all means, but leave the racist bull**** @ home.

I really would like to debate this entire issue with you but unfortuneately I'm in the throes of moving home and will be off line for at least a week or two. But perhaps once I'm set up again, we can pick it up from there?
You crearly need to be made aware of a few facts in order to lure you out of the liberalist dreamworld you seem to be floundering in.
Until then try to have a realistic episode.:)
 

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JHB International - I got very angry @ wrapping service they provide there for R30. Supposed to keep people from stealing your luggage if you wrap it in a thick cling wrap sort of thing. WTF?! I have to pay R30 so people don't steal from me otherwise its my own fault if it happens?!

There isn't enough trollies and the people working there couldn't make it more clear that they hate you with everything they have, the mere fact that you dare speak to them gets you rewarded with a gaze from hell.
 
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