2014 - November Rugby Internationals

ZCFOutkast

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You wanna know why people here fight with you? It is because you have no class. I mean the slick, graceful kind of class that gathers true respect and genuine appreciation from not just the sychophants that call themselves your friends but from strangers and even adversaries.
You think way too highly of these bearers of platitudes. If you hadn't noticed, some of your "people" here who "declined" to berate you for being a classy Bulls fan happen to be a pack bullies. I'm tempted to add more, but I'll defer to offering you some advice - stop for a second and wonder if I'd have been treated that way if I was this Afrikaaner from Bloem who aired similar views as mine and occasionally commented in Afrikaans, as opposed to the African who occasionally comments in Xhosa. Ponder over that for a little while. Anyway I've made my visits to this section very seldom, but I'll stop by once again on the next Bok appearance. Hope it'll be on a winning note. Until then cheerios!

... all you could do was put down anything South African.
Really? You have an extremely narrow perception of what is constituted as South African. Don't take out your dispapointments of the woeful Boks on me. Take them out on Heyneke.

The average IQ of the thread dipped again.
Lots of class for you right there Greg.;) A matriculant dissing a professor. How sweet.
 
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Eh, there was half a bottle of gin that disappeared after the game... Was driving today and was only reminded by a newspaper board. Great way to support the Boks and Sharks I've found.
 

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Hey let's all go to an Australian forum and be England fans. It'll be hilarious. We can laugh at their defeat. Poke them about being useless. Say I told you so.

Now imagine doing it if you are Australian and you have nothing to do with England. No family ties, never been there, you just 'support' England.

Lol. It's just so fscking ridiculous it doesn't even register.

What? I'm not following here. Did anyone pose as Welsh fans? I support my country but was just being realistic when I predicted that Wales would win by 5.
 
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You think way too highly of these bearers of platitudes. If you hadn't noticed, some of your "people" here who "declined" to berate you for being a classy Bulls fan happen to be a pack bullies. I'm tempted to add more, but I'll defer to offering you some advice - stop for a second and wonder if I'd have been treated that way if I was this Afrikaaner from Bloem who aired similar views as mine and occasionally commented in Afrikaans, as opposed to the African who occasionally comments in Xhosa. Ponder over that for a little while. Anyway I've made my visits to this section very seldom, but I'll stop by once again on the next Bok appearance. Hope it'll be on a winning note. Until then cheerios!

Greg is the epitome of a classy and gracious bullsfan. And this is not because Greg as a person is a gracious person, in fact, he looks kinda scummy. But you know what Greg has, which you lack? A bit of respect for your fellow forumites. You complain about how people treat you, but your attitude towards other people does not earn you the respect that you so yearn.

O, so now you play the famous "it's because I'm black"-card. This has nothing to do about colour of the skin. It's all about your attitude. Many a time have white, afrikaner people come in here, and shown the same disrespect of other people's opinions and teams, and they were quickly given the same attitude as what you have received. Only difference is, they ran away and didn't come back for more. Even I have once had some hate speech toward a certain team from PE, and was promptly put in my place by a certain mr. MickeyD. I did learn from my mistakes, you however are to hardheaded and self absorbed to care about other people.

Really? You have an extremely narrow perception of what is constituted as South African. Don't take out your dispapointments of the woeful Boks on me. Take them out on Heyneke.

No one disagrees that the boks were disappointing and are playing woeful rugby at the moment. What irritates people in this thread of you is the fact that you find pleasure in the Boks' disappointing performances. Fans of a team get angry and feel disappointed when their team looses. Opposition fans get joy out of seeing an opposing team loosing. Which one are you?

Lots of class for you right there Greg.;) A matriculant dissing a professor. How sweet.

You calling yourself a professor? topkek. You only get what you deserve.
 

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Hougaard is not of the necessary standard to be playing test rugby, get him out. His contributions pretty much killed the slim chance we had of coming up with a try. And I think we can bring the Coenie-at-tighthead experiment to an end. He does not work there.

The biggest worry is that we lost playing rugby that we tend to favour. 10-man rugby comes naturally to us and the Welsh dominated us convincingly.
 

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I thought this might happen...

From iol.co.za:

Cardiff: Springbok coach Heyneke Meyer says that he will do “whatever it takes” to pick the best possible squad for the Rugby World Cup next year, and that might involve having to convince Frans Steyn and Jaque Fourie to make themselves available for Test rugby again.

The serious knee injury sustained by captain Jean de Villiers against Wales at the Millennium Stadium, as well as a lack of experienced and top-quality depth in midfield may see Meyer contacting Steyn (53 Test caps) and Fourie (72) in the coming months.

Steyn infamously “walked out” of the Bok camp in Durban in June ahead of a Test against Wales after playing against the World XV at Newlands a week earlier, He has joined Japanese club Toshiba Brave Lupus since then, but is set to return to the Sharks for Super Rugby next year, so that could be the opportunity Meyer needs to sound out Steyn about Test rugby.

Fourie announced his retirement from international rugby just last week and has signed a lucrative contract extension with Japanese side Kobe Steelers. But with there being doubts about whether De Villiers would be back in time for the World Cup, Meyer needs alternative options. JP Pietersen has played some rugby at outside centre, but didn’t see any action in that position on the November tour.

“I wasn’t aware of (Jaque Fourie’s retirement). I had a meeting with him in Japan recently, and at that stage, he was still available. So it’s a setback now with Jean injured, and Frans Steyn not available either. So, that’s a lot of experience, but luckily I’ve started playing JP there and Jan has done well too. But you need experience as it’s still a long season and there may be injuries,” Meyer said yesterday.

“I will probably have a talk with Frans, but I think it’s up to him. He has ruled himself out. But I’ve said it’s about me or egos – we have to go and win the World Cup. So, I will do whatever it takes, even if I have to speak to Jaque Fourie – whatever it takes, I will do.

“We will use all the help that we can get, but I also believe that guys have to prove that they want to play for South Africa, and that they are better than the guys who are putting their bodies on the line for four years.

“You have to find the balance, but in the end, there shouldn’t be any egos – you should go with the best 31 to represent your country.”

But despite going down 12-6 to Wales, as well as losing to Ireland on this tour, Meyer is adamant that the result at the Millennium Stadium had to be seen in the context that many of his experienced stalwarts were not available – either through injury or the fact that the overseas players couldn’t feature as it was outside of the Test window.

Regulars such as Bryan Habana, Pietersen, Fourie du Preez, Francois Louw, Willem Alberts and Jannie du Plessis were among those who missed the Welsh Test, while other experienced operators such as Schalk Burger and Ruan Pienaar would’ve provided strong cover on the bench.

“Being the fourth game on tour and a lot of the guys not available, it was always going to be tough and you are always going to be under pressure with youngsters. So, I want to keep on saying that you rather want to go there with momentum, but I find that this has got no bearing on the World Cup,” he said. “I have a lot of confidence as a lot of guys are coming back and we will have a great side in the Championship going forward and in the World Cup.” - Cape Times

I really hope Meyer can somehow secure one if not both of these guys because we're going to need them.
 
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Hougaard is not of the necessary standard to be playing test rugby, get him out. His contributions pretty much killed the slim chance we had of coming up with a try. And I think we can bring the Coenie-at-tighthead experiment to an end. He does not work there.

The biggest worry is that we lost playing rugby that we tend to favour. 10-man rugby comes naturally to us and the Welsh dominated us convincingly.

Saffers are among the stupidest rugby players in the world!! That's primarily why we battle with Northern hemisphere refs. We simply not smart enough to adjust to how they blow the breakdowns.

Kick, chase and hope is very much our game plan but then how many times were we penalized for taking the man out in the air?!! So our kick and chase game ended up prejudicing us?

Our backs lacked cohesion and rhythm but the forwards failed to dominate in any of the games perhaps with the exception of the Irish game. You need to retain possession for 10 phases or more before you going to break down strong defenses. If you got the flair and finesse of the AB's then they become threatening after 7-8 phases. They beat the opposition with side steps and off loading in the tackle where we only know one way!! Jan's a big boy at Super rugby level and CC but at international level he's run of the mill!

We have centres that have the skill set to beat opponents with the side step, Jordaan and DeJong are 2. They slightly built and obviously don't have the option of running over and must go round! They've developed these skill sets through their age group rugby the same way Jan, JDV, Frans Steyn have relayed on their bulk to dominate and haven't developed the more subtle techniques. NZ and Australia have centres that can do both. Big, bollocking runners with the ability to step off both feet and offload in the tackle!

Our backs are a worry however, when a pack isn't dominating, or even gaining parity in the tight loose and set pieces, it puts pressure on your 9 and that pressure gets transferred to 10 and 12 and 13 etc etc etc So Hougaard plays as well as his forwards allow him to play. I still rate him. He's tough as teak and doesn't give an inch. Having said that his quick tap penalty and then kicking directly into touch was a HORRENDOUS error. He owns that brainfart moment in totality but hopefully it won't be his final act in the green and gold!

Look, the end of year tour was difficult to watch but bare in mind we've won 10/14 this year, 71% win ratio. End of the year tours are always going to be a stretch for us Saffers. Consider the abrasive, bang and bash style of rugby we play? It takes its toll! It's a high contact, high intensity brand of rugby!

What chance have we got in the RWC? A lot better than Zimbabwe's, that's for sure!!

RWC is draw related. We got a decent enough pool but the knockout stages are going to be tough. I predict Australia in the quarters and NZ in the semis! That's a huge ask!!

Australia are in the same pool as Wales and England, I don't see Australia winning their pool. They'll do well to finish 2nd. Their EOYT has been worse than ours, losses to Ireland, France and England! They've played some remarkable rugby this year but their defense is nowhere!! Their depth is also a big problem. At 9 and 10 they have little to no cover, same at centre.

There a lot of noticeable absenteeisms from this squad, Louw, Alberts, Spies, Pieter-Steph, Flip, Brussouw. I think there a number of forwards we can still consider for RWC. Backs is a big worry though. Our halfbacks need to grow and mature in next years Super rugby and hopefully we uncover a gem or 2 at center/fullback.

NZ have battled too. Southern hemisphere sides are spent, Northern hemisphere sides have improved but if you think this form will continue into next years RWC, you clueless...
 
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Thanks for the link...just about says it all doesn't it.

To be honest though there's a couple of names there that I don't care for and who I thought were k@k anyway but nevertheless it's pretty damn eye-opening and sad to see just how many quality players we've lost.

Can't blame the players for opting out though. Good money and best of all NO POLITICAL BS.
 
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Thanks for the link...just about says it all doesn't it.

To be honest though there's a couple of names there that I don't care for and who I thought were k@k anyway but nevertheless it's pretty damn eye-opening and sad to see just how many quality players we've lost.

Can't blame the players for opting out though. Good money and best of all NO POLITICAL BS.

Think most of them it is about the money, as all those teams have lots of SA, NZ and Aus. players in them.
 

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do you mean quotas?
SA sport administration has always been full of s hit, pre/post 94! Compared to Aus/NZ who historically always pulling in the same direction and that's in the direction that puts the nations interests first.
 

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Saffers are among the stupidest rugby players in the world!! That's primarily why we battle with Northern hemisphere refs. We simply not smart enough to adjust to how they blow the breakdowns.

Oh, I agree. And it extends to our public as well. I've been of that opinion for years now. The years of tears about McCaw being a cheat when all he was doing was quickly adjusting to the ref and finding the grey areas.

Agree on our mindset. It is archaic. We can easily out muscle sub-par opposition and an undercooked Wallabies outfit, but the minute the opposition can hold against our pack we are in trouble. The problem is, this mindset permeates throughout the unions, so we have U-19s already being groomed in the art of single runners battering into the defence.

Reinach did not hurt us under the same conditions. He and Lambie, while not perfect, made a noticeable difference with the same set of forwards. Throughout the tour Hougaard's service has been pedestrian and his out of hand kicking was atrocious.

A number of the missing players you mentioned are loosies. That is the least of our concerns and arguably the only area where we are sorted. Tightead, #5 lock (Victor is only there to catch lineouts), 9-10, 12-13, all worrying, and all critical areas. A scrum is not stable without a solid #3. Victor leaves us light a forward, especially when guys in his position are supposed to offer more in terms of ball-carrying. 9-10 decision-making, while improved with the Reinach-Lambie combo, is still questionable. Midfield offers no creativity. Our backline effectively relies on the last man - Willie Le Roux - to try and get something going. Guys like Mvovo, Hendricks and Mvovo are reduced to spectator status.

The difference between us and NZ is that the All Blacks find a way to win when they battle. You are not going to win a World Cup by rolling over 7 opponents. No sir. You are going to have to dig deep in a number of games and especially so in northern conditions. Right now the ABs passed with flying colours by coming out on top in a couple of tough encounters. We rolled over and died against the Irish and were manhandled by the Welsh.
 
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